Originally we were closer allies with Magnagora...Serenwilde currently "allies" (its not the right word, but since everyone uses it...) with Celest because if we don't we won't survive, its as simple as that. Its not a choice, its a need, Magnagora can singlehandedly take down both other organisations as long as they don't work together. So we are kind of forced into working with Celest through no real choice. Are there Serenwilders who want to be allies with Celest? Yes..Are there Serenwilders who want to be allies with Magnagora? Yes...Are there Serenwilders who want to have nothing to do with any other city ever? Yes....unforatunately if we took any path but the first at the moment, Serenwilde would die...quickly.

Um, no... that would be shockingly bad for both organizations. Please don't even jest about wanting that.

But d00d! They would be -so- pwned...

Jokes aside, yeah, it would be lame.

Yeah, and I think the players in Serenwilde and the players in Gloriana (note I say players, rather than the histories) would be more likely to ally than the players in Glomdoring and the players in Serenwilde. (again, players, not histories)

Nice pic Asarnil.

Elyrn, Why do you insist that the only conflict between cities and communes is based on Taint, yet at the same time complain that you shouldn't make conflict based on only taint.

Communes have EVERY reason to hate ANY city, and to prefer any other commune.

The Communes don't like the Cities because of the Taint, the Communes hate the cities because Cities try to overstep the bounds of nature, and don't know the limits of thier own power, and feel they have no need to respect the Great Spirits. Thats true if the city is a Taint City or a Non Taint city.

Explain to me how Allying with the professed weaker of two cities is the only way to make sure you don't die?

If serenwilde tried to fix relations with Magnagora, they wouldn't have a need to ally with Celest. Fix relations does not mean becoming allies, it means comming to an agreement.

The only thing I really don't want to see as a result of whatever comes out, is Serenwilde being forced even more towards Celest, its just something that really ruins my enjoyment at the moment..IC Alyss knows that it has to be done to help the commune..OOC...I want to be able to be the Serenwilde that we are supposed to be from the histories, but we can't.

I think that with Merloch out of the Moondancer GM position, we have a bit of a chance to move away from the pseudo-alliance (I think that's an appropriate term) with Celest. Hopefully we'll take it.

I didn't think I was. The major part of the conflict between cities and communes has grown from the event of the tainting, but it isn't just 'you taint, die!' 'you non-taint, you friend'. There is more complexity than that.

I don't want the political scene of Lusternia to devolve into taint vs anti-taint. There are things that need to be done now to help prevent that, especially the relationship between Serenwilde and Celest, but with tainted Glomdoring we get an arrangement of city vs tainted city and commune vs tainted commune. I just hope for more than that.

By that reasoning, even though Crow wants to kill White Hart we should prefer Gloriana/Glomdoring to Celest, which has no quest or disagreement with the current Serenwilde.

You're highlighting the major problem I have with a tainted commune. Everything you just said about why the communes would hate a city, applies to Glomdoring.

How is being a victim of the Taint the same as being the bringer of the Taint? Glomdoring only shows that Gloriana's view of the world was the correct path.

Do you really think the Crow quest is going to still be the way it is once Glomdoring has a full commune? I doubt Glomdoring will exist without Crow being alive most of the time.

Actually, Ibaesha is showing that she's just as pro-Light as Merloch, in my eyes. So... there's no real change in the Moondancer leadership ideals

Is that a reply to what I said, Daganev?

With a universally beloved chap like me back in the mix... I'm sure that Glomdoring will end up as everyone's favour commune, and completely conflict free!

If you end up in any of the leadership positions after spending how many years not here hiding at the Portals of Fate I will be very disappointed.

Nope, you're safe. It's me and all me newbie friends that'll be getting those positions.

Revan, I know you are on the outside in this situation, but, that statement isn't exactly true.

Ibaesha dislikes both the Light and the Taint, though, the fact is, Magnagora is on the offensive when it comes to the Fae, while Celest on the otherhand is fairy whipped into stay the hell away. Rhysus, for instance, is still an enemy to the Moondancers, and Ibaesha flat out refuses to speak to him, let alone associate with him in any way.

The sad situation in Serenwilde is the fact that the majority of the population does not see Celest as a threat, so, Ibaesha can only do so much. If she starts enforcing a policy that kicks people out of Serenwilde for being engaged to Celest citizens while being a part her guild, there would be serious problems for her, which would be a bad thing.

I come to the defense of Ibaesha because from my interactions with her, she's one of the best Serenwilde rpers I've seen. She really does fit what history says Seren should be.. and especially a High Priestess of the Moon. You just need to realize, however, that her hands are somewhat tied to what her guild/the commune will pass as a whole.. and something like that just isn't going to fly because so many people in Serenwilde ARE pro-light.

You probably won't believe me, but, meh.. it was worth a shot to try and shed some moonlight on the situation

I would almost be happier with complete novices nobody knows than Visaeris just because he was the first one to jump on the Glom bandwagon.

I don't expect to slide into a leadership position... And as a note, I was at the portals for about 10 hours(over 3 days) and then just stopped logging in Wasn't hiding at the Portals.

ICly Visaeris has been.. Well you'll have to find out



Any chance you could explain how being the first person involved in something constitutes as jumping onto a bandwagon..

ROFL... That sounds like a joke I would try to make... I love it.