perhaps she wasnt too keen on self sacrifice -.-

Okay, let me try one more time and see if someone is paying attention this time.

Early in the thread, everyone's going on and on about "what will the Glomdoring guardians be guardians of?" acting on the assumption that the fae we know are inevitably all the fae there will ever be, and therefore, are postulating wild ideas about how they'll have to get the same fae, only enslaved or something.

When I mention the unseelie, most people go into kneejerk reaction mode and start responding to an argument no one made, to wit, the idea no one ever actually claimed, that Moondancer fae are the seelie, and Glomdoring fae will be the unseelie, period. Everyone who's eager to to argue against this, please get on board Bus #1, which will take you to some person in Outer Mongolia who doesn't actually speak English, but is willing to argue against you.

For everyone left, please note this. The point of the comparison is this: there is no reason that Glomdoring can't have its own fae, because the (warning! analogy, not identity, coming up!) Celtic myth that inspired what we already have, had two sets of opposed fae who were both still fae.

Therefore, it is entirely consistent with Lusternian myth that it could also have two sets of fae that are opposed but still fae. Please note: it is possible for those two sets of fae not to be identical to seelie and unseelie while still being (1) two, and (2) opposed.

Sure, it's possible that some of the Glomdoring fae will be inspired by bits of the unseelie, or even the seelie, court. Just as bits of the Moondancers fae were. The fact that Moondancer fae draw from seelie, unseelie, and other sources is a strong hint that the Glomdoring fae can do the same. No reason to suggest that anyone would even consider mirroring Celtic myth even if it were possible, which it isn't, because what Lusternia has already doesn't mirror it.

As for inspiration versus imagination, with all due respect, that's a pretty naive tack. Most if not all of the best bits of fantasy and sci-fi are intentionally inspired by earlier myths. The hallmark of creativity comes from first finding the best things to be inspired by, and second, putting them together in interesting and new combinations and getting new stuff out of the results. There's only so many parts to build from since they come from the human psyche and spirit; these are broad and deep pools, but we have had thousands of years to pull things out of them, and there really isn't much to pull out that someone else hasn't pulled out before.

If you are really dead set on all-new creations, finally, I suggest Lusternia is not your cup of tea. Almost every specific thing in Lusternia can be linked back to something prior. What's unique to Lusternia is the way they're connected to one another. The tapestry may be woven from threads that were previously used, but it's the tapestry, not the threads, that you're going to look at. If you need proof that this works, look no farther than Lusternia.

What I disagree with, is the idea of two separate sets of Fae, period. It was never mentioned in the histories, it WAS mentioned, however, that ALL fae fled the Glomdoring, both "good" and "evil" (Seelie and Unseelie if you wish to make that analogy), because Rowena was killing ALL, not "some". It just wouldn't make sense to have some separate set of fae. Tainted fae, fine, boring, but possible since it has a precedent, but a separate "Unseelie" set of fae makes little sense in the realm of Lusternia, it has no precedent. You think it would have been mentioned, they cannot just appear out of nowhere.

I mean, new fae can appear, sure, but making them a separate entity to the rest is out of place, and the suggestion that they have an affinity for Rowena and the Glomdoring is again, not a believable scenario.

*Nudges everyone to Nepthysia's post*

Gwylifar: The point is its -INSPIRED- thats great but some people have a tendency to COPY myths and legends. Im anal enough to not even like people using exact names from literature. It creates a character you may not want to play in the form it should be done.. especially well known characters. An adaptation of a name is fine though if you wanna use pieces of its meaning


The whole point is to create something different, something original that people have to LEARN and ADAPT to rather then just take something they already know and convert it to slightly different wording - new names of things and people, etcetera etcetera etcetera. (I.E. A lot of the really good players know the histories and the good families find ways to intertwine their bloodlines with bits of information found in such histories and/or places, people, things found in the realm)

Lusternia is quite original in the fashion it has gathered things together. Still, if you want originality... what is the problem with having an event where the WICCANS of what was GLORIANA get back their fae? They can be fae but be completely different names, types, etc. but still fit the role of the antagonist fae, which can be inspired by the unseelie or whatever the point is they would be the "evil" fae. Or you can completely dump the idea of the Glomdoring guild being WICCAN, call them Night Riders that turn to owls and control creatures made out of the shades of things.

Well said, Tuek.

On a different note, I think I have an analogy for why I don't want to see a Glomdoring 'commune'.

Imagine that there is a new city being planned. It will be utterly tainted and corrupted, but it will follow the Light. Not quite the same Light that Celest follows, but they shall draw on Celestial powers (some infused with taint magic), and worship the Supernals. They will view the taint as the tool of enlightenment with which they can spread their version of the Light across the world.

The guardians of the city will discover a new sort of angel, dark and brooding and twisted, but still a celestial being under the protection of the Supernals. In fact, the Supernals will support this new tainted city equally because they follow the Light, apart from one or two that will have purely personal objections to it. These one or two will be most closely allied with Celest.

Now that Light has been shown to get along just fine with the Taint, and most of their own deities have no problem with it, where would this leave Celest?

Screwed.

Magnagora follows the Taint, in my opinion Glomdoring is merely just tainted and following Glomdoring, hence having Tainted forests. So they don't both really follow the same thing, and even if they did they would essentially be following the same thing. Just different aspects of the same thing. Magnagora=expand the Taint, whereas Glomdoring=being just merciless towards the things that aren't Glomdoring (a Tainted Nature).

But Elryn's point is about if they had the Nature skill, because it would mean the Taint coexists fine with Nature, leaving us screwed. Which is an aspect of it I hadn't thought about. :/

Aye, thats what I meant.

I can understand the arguement, but NO WHERE is the arguement that Nature is anti-Taint exceptionally valid. You can argue that Mother Moon and Hart are AFRAID of the Taint, but Moon and Hart are as much Nature as Night and Crow, who revel in it.

I'm getting tired of the arguements "zomg nature + taint !=". Because it's not a viable method of reasoning. Whether you LIKE it or not, it IS a viable arguement - it's right there in the Glomdoring. Everything there is a testament to Nature using Taint for perfection. Just because you're AFRAID of it doesn't mean it isn't possible, or shouldn't be. =\\

Welcome to lukewarm rp for the Serenwilde.

Yeah... we HATE cities because they brought about the Taint!
The taint is AWFUL because... it... well... we're just a bit scared of it, really. Maybe if we get to know it, it won't be so bad.

Wee! I knew you'ld come around. Commere, Elryn, I'll give you a big hug and then we can frollic over to the Glomdoring and proceed to rape/butcher avatar-loyal Fae!

Although you can make the arguement "The Taint may not be bad right now, but it was controlled by Kethuru. Celest released Kethuru, and now only one true commune is left. And Magnagora wishes to giva a dead forest life!"

Or ICly resume your belief that Taint and Nature cannot work together - just stop argueing something OOCly without any real basis, while the opposing point is essentially proven. It was proven before Lusternia opened.

Alright, but then you must also accept Nil as the proof that the Taint works perfectly in tune with the Light. An ultimate perfection of it, if you will.

No, but I can accept Nil as proof that Taint is Good, and that the Light is a group of bloodlusting freaks, filled with desire and envy.

That's how Magnagora was supposed to view things, anyway.

Let me get this straight... Nil isn't proof of Taint merging itself with Light by its very existence, but Glomdoring is proof of Taint merging itself with Nature by its very existence.

Is it just your organizations that get to flaunt reality, then?

Right.

Nil WAS proof of Taint merging with Light, until the Holy Emenations were warred upon by Elohora.

But Brother Hart wars on Brother Crow, so that doesn't make sense either.

Even when Nil was Shallamar, it wasn't really the Light like Celestia is.

EDIT: And you can't say that Nil is still the Light merged with the taint. Nil is the opposite of the Light now.