Shiri2005-04-03 19:48:25
Hm...there's one exception in each. (And actually it might be two, we don't know how militant Ashtorath or whatever his old name was was, do we?)
I suppose you're right, but it's a stretch. And the fact remains that although you could draw the conclusion out that it was different in structure, the Light and the...er...Emanating Stuff is very similar. So the original point is still fairly solid, just weakened a tiny bit.
EDIT: You're correct there, by the way, too. Japhiel comments retracted. I guess I just don't see him as that militant, but you're right about the Judge and stuff.
I suppose you're right, but it's a stretch. And the fact remains that although you could draw the conclusion out that it was different in structure, the Light and the...er...Emanating Stuff is very similar. So the original point is still fairly solid, just weakened a tiny bit.
EDIT: You're correct there, by the way, too. Japhiel comments retracted. I guess I just don't see him as that militant, but you're right about the Judge and stuff.
Erion2005-04-03 19:59:13
I still believe it's an entirely valid arguement that Shallamar wasn't Light - it was Peace.
EDIT: Peace, Compassion, Love, Song, etc. They're all the same generally idea - Shallamar was developed by hippies.
EDIT: Peace, Compassion, Love, Song, etc. They're all the same generally idea - Shallamar was developed by hippies.
Silvanus2005-04-03 20:05:09
Ashtorath was the Duke of the Bell-Tower, he supposebly had a voice that 'could charm the gods.'
Desdemona2005-04-03 20:08:44
Am I the only one that bothers to read things?
12.5 THE COSMIC PLANES
The cosmic planes are sometimes called the higher planes. Each cosmic
plane has a unique vibration which calls to certain mortals, such
vibration embodying a philosophy and way of thinking. The greater divine
beings live on these planes often help those who choose to be guardians of
their plane. Though mortals do not fully understand what these beings are,
it is interesting to note that the Elder Gods refer to them (sometimes
affectionately and sometimes contemptuously) as the 'half-formed'. Two of
the great known cosmic planes were lost during the Taint Wars, and one
cosmic plane was corrupted by the Taint. The layer of cosmic planes lie
between the elemental planes and the astral plane.
See also PLANAR TRAVEL.
That means each plane is unique, meaning one very different to the other. So Shallamar wasn't at all like Celestia, you may perceive some similarities but they were only superficial. Now Nil, Nil became a mirrored image of Celestia, probably, it's antithesis. Still, it is unique and it's component is different from the Liquid Light of Celestia.
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12.5 THE COSMIC PLANES
The cosmic planes are sometimes called the higher planes. Each cosmic
plane has a unique vibration which calls to certain mortals, such
vibration embodying a philosophy and way of thinking. The greater divine
beings live on these planes often help those who choose to be guardians of
their plane. Though mortals do not fully understand what these beings are,
it is interesting to note that the Elder Gods refer to them (sometimes
affectionately and sometimes contemptuously) as the 'half-formed'. Two of
the great known cosmic planes were lost during the Taint Wars, and one
cosmic plane was corrupted by the Taint. The layer of cosmic planes lie
between the elemental planes and the astral plane.
See also PLANAR TRAVEL.
That means each plane is unique, meaning one very different to the other. So Shallamar wasn't at all like Celestia, you may perceive some similarities but they were only superficial. Now Nil, Nil became a mirrored image of Celestia, probably, it's antithesis. Still, it is unique and it's component is different from the Liquid Light of Celestia.
Erion2005-04-03 20:15:31
Thank you Desdemona.
Erion2005-04-03 20:15:55
Now here's a serious question Soll, Elryn - just because Shallamar was tainted, is Nil no longer a cosmic plane?
Shiri2005-04-03 20:36:05
Spuh? Desdemona, it's not "very different." Or wasn't until it was Tainted. Unique doesn't have to mean polar opposites, it can indeed mean with differences that are THERE, but not ideologically major. You don't have to try to sound smarter than the rest of us, you know.
Desdemona2005-04-03 20:39:16
On another note. I think that the Taint in Glomdoring underwent another path of evolution than that of Magnagora, so by all means... if it is Glomdoring the one that returns, I hope there is a great abysmal distiction between both types of Taints. Glomdoring is a forest after all, Magnagora is just a fossil.
Also, I really hope a Divines goes... Glomdoring-Gloriana? Nah, I dun want it. Burns the hole forest and leaves nothing more than glass thanks to the intensity of the heat and whatever sand or whatever is in the surface melted. Leaving nothing more than a mirror that can't be worked on nor liveable due to the intense heat that burns anything that enters it.
And instead of another commune, we get the Skarch Collective. Estarra poked a button into my imagination/dreamland on her April Fool's Announcement=Mother Cactus is a yes!
First of all, I'm not trying to sound smarter than anyone. Especially on a simple internet forum where my identity is basically unknown. I am just using my reading comprehension skills.
u·nique Audio pronunciation of "UNIQUE" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (y-nk)
adj.
1. Being the only one of its kind: the unique existing example of Donne's handwriting.
2. Without an equal or equivalent; unparalleled.
3.
1. Characteristic of a particular category, condition, or locality: a problem unique to coastal areas.
2. Informal. Unusual; extraordinary: spoke with a unique accent.
By all means unique means they are very different. If anything the similarities between them is that 1) They are both cosmic forces, and 2) They emitt some sort of vibration that summon different kinds of people. Coincidentally, those people who chose to yield themselves to those summonings are of somewhat different natures.
So, before Taint, you had a completely different thing than any other Cosmic plane. After Taint, you have another completely different thing than other Cosmic planes. Just this time, whatever Shallamar used to stand for was flushed and in came the destruction motif bestowed upon Shallamar thanks to the power of the Almighty Kethuru. Which by the way, perfectly came to oppose Celestia which at that time was the really the only other Cosmic plane unhidden/whatever.
Edit: Also something unique may just happen to end representing the exact polar opposite of another unique thing, Still, unique= very different.
Also, I really hope a Divines goes... Glomdoring-Gloriana? Nah, I dun want it. Burns the hole forest and leaves nothing more than glass thanks to the intensity of the heat and whatever sand or whatever is in the surface melted. Leaving nothing more than a mirror that can't be worked on nor liveable due to the intense heat that burns anything that enters it.
And instead of another commune, we get the Skarch Collective. Estarra poked a button into my imagination/dreamland on her April Fool's Announcement=Mother Cactus is a yes!
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 3 2005, 01:36 PM)
Spuh? Desdemona, it's not "very different." Or wasn't until it was Tainted. Unique doesn't have to mean polar opposites, it can indeed mean with differences that are THERE, but not ideologically major. You don't have to try to sound smarter than the rest of us, you know.
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First of all, I'm not trying to sound smarter than anyone. Especially on a simple internet forum where my identity is basically unknown. I am just using my reading comprehension skills.
u·nique Audio pronunciation of "UNIQUE" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (y-nk)
adj.
1. Being the only one of its kind: the unique existing example of Donne's handwriting.
2. Without an equal or equivalent; unparalleled.
3.
1. Characteristic of a particular category, condition, or locality: a problem unique to coastal areas.
2. Informal. Unusual; extraordinary: spoke with a unique accent.
By all means unique means they are very different. If anything the similarities between them is that 1) They are both cosmic forces, and 2) They emitt some sort of vibration that summon different kinds of people. Coincidentally, those people who chose to yield themselves to those summonings are of somewhat different natures.
So, before Taint, you had a completely different thing than any other Cosmic plane. After Taint, you have another completely different thing than other Cosmic planes. Just this time, whatever Shallamar used to stand for was flushed and in came the destruction motif bestowed upon Shallamar thanks to the power of the Almighty Kethuru. Which by the way, perfectly came to oppose Celestia which at that time was the really the only other Cosmic plane unhidden/whatever.
Edit: Also something unique may just happen to end representing the exact polar opposite of another unique thing, Still, unique= very different.
Falasin2005-04-03 20:50:33
A carrion beetle scuttles in and approaches Viravain's feet.
3417h, 2692m, 2856e, 10p, 13140en, 12360w ex-
Ashteru shifts his eyes suspiciously from side to side.
3417h, 2692m, 2856e, 10p, 13140en, 12360w ex-
Spreading her arms wide, Vhri spins clockwise and a shimmering white orb
springs up around her.
3417h, 2692m, 2856e, 10p, 13140en, 12360w ex-probe beetle
What do you wish to examine?
Lies!
3417h, 2692m, 2856e, 10p, 13140en, 12360w ex-
Ashteru shifts his eyes suspiciously from side to side.
3417h, 2692m, 2856e, 10p, 13140en, 12360w ex-
Spreading her arms wide, Vhri spins clockwise and a shimmering white orb
springs up around her.
3417h, 2692m, 2856e, 10p, 13140en, 12360w ex-probe beetle
What do you wish to examine?
Lies!
Faethan2005-04-03 20:51:39
3149h, 4535m, 4209e, 10p, 14645en, 14879w ex-bw
Falasin, Lok, Sylphas, Lanaya, Arorn, Niara, Sergio, Dragco, Erion, Etanru,
Beral, Vhri, Wuylinfe, Arilyon, Katherine, Bastienne, Moralis, Nebuhar, Jiriki,
Ibaesha, Druthalus, Amaru, Yuya, Karali, Aelon, Cero, Laysus, Elerial,
Zephyriel, Vesar, Shiro, Lomdomian, Musa, Ciera, Stagar, Soll, Narsrim, Leeta,
Talshaar, Raiha, Singollo, Vanthan, Ordos, Selthar, Kappa, Maelon, Tenebrae,
Aesyra, Trasse, Acrune, Lyth, Munsia, Tarielenwe, Asmoth, Mirai, Thaddeus,
Rhysus, Malicia, Anisu, Ekard, Jairdan, Aerenna, Cronnacht, Iziraih, Jaques,
Tharruk, Lyren, Viravain, Crylia, Zeral, Visaeris, Jasper, Corbenic, Exarius,
Vix, Ashteru, Icori, Athalas, Veonira, Ceres, Kaervas, Viek, Jutka, Malius,
Razlinn, Kujo, Faethan.
3149h, 4535m, 4209e, 10p, 14645en, 14885w ex-
3149h, 4535m, 4209e, 10p, 14645en, 14885w ex-who here
You see the following people here:
Lok, Sylphas, Arorn, Niara, Dragco, Etanru, Wuylinfe, Katherine, Bastienne,
Jiriki, Ibaesha, Yuya, Lazul, Aelon, Laysus, Elerial, Zephyriel, Marsu,
Lomdomian, Musa, Ciera, Stagar, Leeta, Singollo, Ordos, Lisaera, Selthar, Kappa
, Aesyra, Daevos, Anisu, Ekard, Jairdan, Aerenna, Viravain, Ashteru, Kaervas,
Soll, Cronnacht, Tarielenwe, Acrune, Lyth, Lyren, Faethan
Half the world is here!
Falasin, Lok, Sylphas, Lanaya, Arorn, Niara, Sergio, Dragco, Erion, Etanru,
Beral, Vhri, Wuylinfe, Arilyon, Katherine, Bastienne, Moralis, Nebuhar, Jiriki,
Ibaesha, Druthalus, Amaru, Yuya, Karali, Aelon, Cero, Laysus, Elerial,
Zephyriel, Vesar, Shiro, Lomdomian, Musa, Ciera, Stagar, Soll, Narsrim, Leeta,
Talshaar, Raiha, Singollo, Vanthan, Ordos, Selthar, Kappa, Maelon, Tenebrae,
Aesyra, Trasse, Acrune, Lyth, Munsia, Tarielenwe, Asmoth, Mirai, Thaddeus,
Rhysus, Malicia, Anisu, Ekard, Jairdan, Aerenna, Cronnacht, Iziraih, Jaques,
Tharruk, Lyren, Viravain, Crylia, Zeral, Visaeris, Jasper, Corbenic, Exarius,
Vix, Ashteru, Icori, Athalas, Veonira, Ceres, Kaervas, Viek, Jutka, Malius,
Razlinn, Kujo, Faethan.
3149h, 4535m, 4209e, 10p, 14645en, 14885w ex-
3149h, 4535m, 4209e, 10p, 14645en, 14885w ex-who here
You see the following people here:
Lok, Sylphas, Arorn, Niara, Dragco, Etanru, Wuylinfe, Katherine, Bastienne,
Jiriki, Ibaesha, Yuya, Lazul, Aelon, Laysus, Elerial, Zephyriel, Marsu,
Lomdomian, Musa, Ciera, Stagar, Leeta, Singollo, Ordos, Lisaera, Selthar, Kappa
, Aesyra, Daevos, Anisu, Ekard, Jairdan, Aerenna, Viravain, Ashteru, Kaervas,
Soll, Cronnacht, Tarielenwe, Acrune, Lyth, Lyren, Faethan
Half the world is here!
Desdemona2005-04-03 20:55:21
RUN! Glomdoring is about to be struck by Cosmic Energy and razed to the ground. In comes the Skarch Collective. *grin*
Sylphas2005-04-03 21:21:32
Oh. My. Gods.
We are so screwed.
We are so screwed.
Shiri2005-04-03 21:41:27
HAH. I knew all those bitchy people at the start of the event would look stupid eventually. (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.)
Desdemona2005-04-03 21:45:52
I think everyone ended up looking stupid. I know I did... Logged in in Stewartsville, SHOUTS OFF as usual, start reading logs/news, my daily routine, and then... BAM! I am dead. It was funny. Viravain traumatized me .
Shiri2005-04-03 21:56:17
Nah, the people who knew Glomdoring was coming didn't look stupid.
Desdemona2005-04-03 21:58:39
Oh. Then I don't know. I think/hope there is some last minute change, you know... Glomdoring is no more! There can still be a last minute change or end twist.
Shiri2005-04-03 22:00:52
...not gonna happen, Desdemona.
Erion2005-04-03 22:16:13
I've always figured the Glom was coming, but it looked like Est was trying hard to convince us otherwise, so I went with the flow. It was fun! I love this event!
Falasin2005-04-03 22:26:44
QUOTE(Erion @ Apr 3 2005, 10:16 PM)
I've always figured the Glom was coming, but it looked like Est was trying hard to convince us otherwise, so I went with the flow.  It was fun! I love this event!
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Yea, roundabouts are fun.
Genos2005-04-03 22:29:53
I'm really disappointed, I was hoping Viravain was going to get an awesome new title. But no... my dreams were shattered! I'm going to go cry now.