Wow, is that all? And all this posts...
And it's not particularly right. Glomdoring is tainted nature, doing just fine...

Oooh, I hadn't thought about Nature as an exclusive force...
Its Elementalism an exclusive force also?

Nature has this interesting quality of being both in contrast to Cosmic forces, and in being in contrast to Elemental forces, in that in 'Nature' the Cosmic and Elemental equivilents share a sub base.

I think the confusion comes from defining 'Taint' as being opossed to Light.

If you look at skillsets alone, (not that its any defining factor, but its the only thing that really implies that NATURE, LIGHT, and TAINT are mutally exlusive) You have Rituals which branches off into Light and Taint. Then you have elementalism which branches off into Water and Tainted Earth.

Then you have nature which breaks up into Wiccan (cosmic equivilant) and Druidry (Elemental equivilant)

It would appear to me that anything can become Light or Taint. Rituals, Planes of existance, Elementalism, Cities... and then Communes?

Yes, I think you can have Light communes, (i.e ackelberry, following the Sun) and you can have Dark or Tainted communes (Gloriana following Night, and Glomdoring being tainted) And then you have Neither Light nor Tainted communes (i.e. Serenwilde following the moon, a mixture of a night based light.)

And thus ends my stream of consiouness.

Of course, but when Magnagora became tainted, it didn't continue to follow the light.

When Nil became tainted, it didn't continue to follow the (variant of) the Light.

When rituals become tainted, they don't continue to draw on celestial powers.

When normal races become tainted, they don't continue to identify with their original race, they become something new, Viscanti.

When Glomdoring becomes tainted, why the hell should it continue to follow nature?

Mmm, interesting theories. Don't agree, but interesting.

Because nature is the roots of it?
Just like both Light and Taint both have roots in Cosmic and Rituals, it's just different (contrary) approach...

Magnagora never followed the light, they followed Shallamar.
Only Celestians would draw on celestial powers for the use of Rituals, pre taint, Magnagora would draw on the stone of Truth, not the pool of stars, and thus take Shalamarian powers.

Is Undead tainted or not? If it is, as people like to say, then Daganev is a Tainted and undead Tae'dae. The viscanti happen to be a collection of inbreeding because everyone else found them to be ugly. A very metropolitan view of the world.

If Celest is Asian, and Serenwilde is African, Magnagora is Tiger Woods. In California they talk about how in 4 generations there will not be white people or black people or latino people, but rather everyone will be a strange shade of brown with no knowledge of which country thier great great great great grandparents came from. In that case Magnagora would be california.

"(i.e. Serenwilde following the moon, a mixture of a night based light.)"

That was the crux of my train of thought and I forgot to write it.. how silly of me.

Gah, whatever. I mean Shallamar then. It is the equivalent of the Light.

It is not equivelent.

If Magnagora existed without the taint and we were playing this game, and the Celest empire fell, Magnagora would be using its Stone of Truth to push the ideals of pacifism on the world.

I think Raezon said early on in the game,(from an IC perspective) with understanding comes acceptance. (Thus how Truth relates to Peace)

And as you yourself have agreed many times, undeath was around before the taint. It is a byproduce of tainted magics, but does not define it.

And if you are now seriously campaigning for Viscanti to be recognised not as taint-warped people, but just a poor unfortunate group of sods who happen to be ugly... well, I may almost be speechless.

First, Magnagora was -part- of the Celestine empire. Why would it have a significantly different philosophy or position than the rest of the empire?

They weren't ugly? Other people of the some race did want to be associated with them? I was unaware of that.

So if undead is not the taint, which its not, that means a magic can exist and be tainted but not be defined by the taint. Thus a Nature commune can be tainted and not be defined by the taint, but rather by its Nature aspect.

Even untainted, the Light is against Undeath, since they are against unwanted death all together, and thus have anti undead skills and ressurection skills, and sacrifice skills. That is, they sacrifice themselves for the greater good, to save the lives of another.

And yet EVERY time something is tainted, it becomes utterly different and opposed to what it once was.

You have not given any evidence to dispute that.

Such a beaten argument which will never be answered.

I have a better one.

Which race should recieve specialization in Glomdoring? It seems to me that Elfen would create a hitch since many of those pushing for glomdoring are activly anti-elfen, and yet logically out of the existing races it is the top race.

Easy, viscanti or orclach.

Why either?

Because they are the only two that have a racial disposition to the taint. Orclach's is minor, but still there.

This is a rather big hijack, however.

Edit: Oh wait, or krokani... they like the taint now, don't they? I haven't been to the Grey moors much.

If we're looking at specialties for the pretty much screwed Gloriana, I would have said Loboshigaru or Igasho, or maybe even tae'dae or aslaran.

Well, I'd suppose Viscanti are a decent choice, but wouldn't Elfen be better choice, given that they are the forest race (along with faeling). I would have to say Krokani and Orclach are just out of the picture. They're already too tilted stat wise against being a guardian or mage.

Of course this is all assuming that the current taint will be central to Glomdoring, instead of a different form of "corruption" or none at all.

Elfen would make no sense. They are a forest race.

Faelings! With +6 int boost, lvl 3 faster eq, knights missing them half of the time, and so on... *g