"There'd be no such thing as guards in Celest if it weren't for Serenwilde."

Just a question: how fair does that seem to you? Unless I am misreading what you meant...

Its not the game mechanics problem. Its Celest's problem in driving away its fighters. I had to listen to Amaru bitch for 2 hours about how Rhysus doesn't award acts of bravery and any sort of fighting like Magnagora does.

He said that means "Really Poor."

An element of that, and also that (I believe) Magnagora just attracts more fighters. I'm not sure how giving Celest another hard-coded enemy (tainted forest) is going to make things any easier on them, though...

I don't understand why the Glomdoring has to be pro-Taint. Imo, Glomdoring is a wasteland completely raped by Kethuru through the Taint, that is as far as the relation goes between Taint and Glomdoring. Now, Glomdoring is Tainted, but what they've always really wanted is GLOMDORING and Rowena's "empire", all this inspired by the insanity unleashed on Glomdoring.

Also, let's face it... Words are words. We can talk so much about Glomdoring being anti-city all you want, but in the end Glomdoring might as well end up allies with Magnagora. Glomdoring being pro-Taint simply makes it even more fitting. It will only be matter of time for Glomdoring to take a side, just like it happened with Serenwilde. Celest hates the Taint, Serenwilde hates Crow... so Glomdoring's only choice if it remains Tainted/pro-Taint? Magnagora.

Maybe if Glomdoring wasn't at all pro-Taint, just pro-Glomdoring and definately anti-everything else specially Serenwilde... you'd have:

Celest v. Magnagora
Serenwilde v. Glomdoring
Glomdoring v. Magnagora and Celest
Serenwilde isolated from both cities

I remember that not long ago, there was a commune referendum regarding what people wanted for the commune's stance regarding cities to be. The majority vote was to become more isolated from them, which is kind of impossible with the constant forced/voluntary interactions that the commune is having with the cities.

Regarding the trades, I believe that communes having alchemy as a trade is a slight impediment for a real 100% hate cities stance. Cities need the communes for elixirs, alchemists want a prosperous trade... So you can only see: "I hate you, but I like your money... So here, have your elixirs. Don't have a nice day."Maybe if a city came with chemistry as an alternative to alchemy, or something that actually helped cityfolk avoid alchemists... there would be no more alternative than actually falling into isolation mode for the communes, imo.

What I'd like to see is Enchantment in Communes, and Alchemy in cities, but each with a different set of skills, like how Cosmic and Elementalism have different enchants. That way, we don't have to rely on each other, unless you want the really good, exclusive stuff. (See also Idras and Saboteurs in Imperian)

I was referring to his incessent "Its more like this" or "Should be doing this" rather than the title, which is just a nice give.

I think that's the point, though. :/

Erm.

Glomdoring being anti-taint? Funny!

See? That is exactly what I don't want to see developed... everything revolving around pro-Taint OR anti-Taint. Why can't Glomdoring be and only be PRO-GLOMDORING, hate everyone else, the Taint was what changed us but it doesn't matter now so bask under the all mighty Crow and Night to conquer the whole universe?

But no... It has to be a pro-Taint Glom that will end up marrying with Magnagora. Then the whole Basin will know the wonder of Pro-Taint (EVIL) v. anti-Taint (GOOD). Whenever the other two remaining cities come, I guess they can just join the fun and forget individual conflict or Hallifax (REASON) v. Gaudiguch (EMOTION). Yes, we can forget that and make Hallifax pro-Taint team up with Magnaglom and have Gaudiguch be anti-Taint and wed with Celeswilde.

*reiterates that we won't be Magnagora's slave*

And if it goes that way, I'm going to likely get kicked out, cause I'd crack some skulls.

Glomdoring likely won't be "Whoa, taint is teh AWEsome." They'd be more like...

Serenwilde... sucks. Celest... idiots! Magnagora... bunch of morons.

And then all three groups would ally against us and your head will asplode.

I guess we can't do anything more than sit back and see what happens. I reiterate what I said before, though... words are words, everything can turn completely different than what you expected. Glom's real opportunity to remain solo is if it returned as a scarred, agonizing, traumatized, Gloriana who can't really trust anyone anymore.

Ultimately, the gods have the last say in what appears.

It's just what we do with it that counts!

That's about as believable to me as it is to you that Gloriana doesn't = snugglebunny.

Glomdoring will be the equivalent of Magnagora's personal garden. It'll even be fertilised by Magnagoran refuse.

Not if I can help it.

Yeah, but you probably can't.

If we look at the people who I already -know- are joining Glomdoring, they actually, you know... somewhat trust/listen to me. If it ever comes to that, I'll be a heavy voice of opposition.

I mean, that would be boring anyway. We'd have constant 2 on 2. Next thing we know, everyone whines for a neutral place, instead of one of the two lost cities, which if made, will side with serenwilde, and then we'll need to bring in the two cities, but then it will be 2 on 2 on 3, and then...

My computer will asplode.

Not even if you managed to move the whole Glomdoring to Deepnight would you really be able to control what direction the commune would take. If you were able to bribe Celest onto liking you, or at the very least grow oblivious of the fact that you are Tainted, make Magnagora realize that you are not buddy-buddy with them but will be willing to bribe them if they also leave you alone... only then you'd probably be able to concentrate on your antagonism of Serenwilde.

Truth is, that Glomdoring will be forced to take a side depending on it's alignment. Just like Serenwilde. Serenwilde wasn't the forest of light many of you folks think it is. We had a history of preffering Magnagora over Celest, but now that things changed is that people consider Serenwilde as the Forest of Light. Glomdoring unfortunately doesn't have that much leverage to go switching "allies" as they please. Nope, pro-Taint Glom's only chances of survival would be with it's mate Magnagora.

Nooooo, no taking sides.

And the whole turning the commune around was only if we get Glorianna, we'll all RP baddies.

Come to think of it, that's our Glomdoring RP too.

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