Daganev2005-03-30 18:58:36
I think suicide is worse than Murder.
At least with Murder you have to live with the consequences.
At least with Murder you have to live with the consequences.
Shiri2005-03-30 18:59:58
I hope that you think that because of some religious principle or other.
EDIT: But I'm going to start a new topic there.
EDIT: But I'm going to start a new topic there.
Erion2005-03-30 19:43:00
QUOTE(Etain Sayelle @ Mar 30 2005, 09:32 AM)
It is possible she feels no pain, but that is the thing...if you aren't sure then to me it isn't worth the risk.Â
On a side note, was anyone else surprised to see Jesse Jackson speaking up for her?
On a side note, was anyone else surprised to see Jesse Jackson speaking up for her?
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Dear, her cerberal cortex, the nerves and thinking part of her brain, is pure mush. The cells died from a lack of oxygen from her heart attack. Anything she does now is all subconcious things. I can't stop my heart from beating or my lungs from breathing (for very long). And when people are in commas, their concious brain has absolutely no control. Terri isn't alive. She's been dead for near 15 years. Seriously. Just let her die. They should have called in Kavorkian for this one.
Daganev2005-03-30 19:46:50
Yes, lets kill everyone with a handicap while we are at it.
Unknown2005-03-30 19:51:12
QUOTE(daganev @ Mar 30 2005, 07:46 PM)
Yes, lets kill everyone with a handicap while we are at it.
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There's a difference between brain not working perfectly fine and not working at all.
Erion2005-03-30 19:54:32
QUOTE(Etain Sayelle @ Mar 30 2005, 09:22 AM)
I feel sorry for her husband only to a point, it isn't as if he has lived these ten years by the bedside of his disabled wife. He has been living with another woman who is the Mother of his children. Your Husband is supposed to protect you when you cannot protect yourself, not turn adulterer and spend years trying to convince your family you should die from starvation. He should have divorced her and let her remain in the care of her family.
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Ugh, just finally read the first post.
Etain, he's been offered MILLIONS of dollars to give up the rights for his wife. He refuses, because it was her wish. She told him, and enough people have born witness for it that 23 some courts (At least two of them were 3 judge panels) have ALL admitted it as evidence, and consider it a viable statement on her behalf. And all 23 courts have ruled in favour of the father. You're right, it would suck to be starved to death. But this right-wing, conservative "moral" country throws people in jail for assisting people whom are extremely ill and wish to avoid pain and suffering into suicide. All Kavorkian ever did was hook them up to the machine, and hand them the switch. They killed themselves.
And, I saw Daganev calling suicide worse than murder. It's my body. I'll with it whatever the hell I want. If I want to shoot heroine into a track beneath my tongue after snorting a rock of cocaine and six captain and cokes followed by a marathon of gay sex with at least ten other guys, so be it. It's my decision, not yours, not the government's, not my parent's or my boyfriend's. It's mine. And it should remain that way.
Erion2005-03-30 19:55:50
QUOTE(daganev @ Mar 30 2005, 03:46 PM)
Yes, lets kill everyone with a handicap while we are at it.
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It would remove the weak and sickly from society. And cut over population, and slow world hunger. If only a bit.
Edit: Erm. Yea. Anyway. As Kashim says, there's a big difference between a flickering light bulb and a light bulb that has a busted philament.
Raezon2005-03-30 20:28:32
Ultimately it's the lady's decision... she placed the information in her medical account that said she didn't want to remain in a vegetative state. I have a no-code in my medical file that basically says I DO NOT want anyone to attempt to resuscitate me if I was incapacitated in any way, ie if I'm in a vegetative state only surviving because of machines... frigging let me go. The part people forget is we didn't have these machines hundreds of years ago, those people would have died or survived on their own. Let things happen as they happen and stop trying to play the deity over someone's life.
Addition: Oh yeah, and they can't just slip her something gently as someone's already mentioned. Euthanasia is considered illegal, which sadly means the system is forcing further pain on the people it was supposed to protect.
Addition: Oh yeah, and they can't just slip her something gently as someone's already mentioned. Euthanasia is considered illegal, which sadly means the system is forcing further pain on the people it was supposed to protect.
Erion2005-03-30 20:32:07
Here here.
Shiri2005-03-30 20:33:15
QUOTE(Raezon @ Mar 30 2005, 09:28 PM)
I have a no-code in my medical file that basically says I DO NOT want anyone to attempt to resuscitate me if I was incapacitated in any way, ie if I'm in a vegetative state only surviving because of machines... frigging let me go.
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Now I want to know how to check mine so I can see if they put that in.
Unknown2005-03-30 20:34:36
I have a no-code as well. I wouldn't want to be starved to death though. I respect the woman's wish to die, my soft heart just wishes it was less brutal for her. That's all.
Erion2005-03-30 20:38:51
I'm going to get a no-code. My boyfriend's under strict orders to kill someone and make it look like I did it, if I'm in such a state. So they euthenasia me. Hell yea.
Llexyn2005-03-30 20:43:45
I hear ya, Dag.
It's very pathetic this man didn't have the decency to divorce her before he decided to bed, live and have children to another woman.
It's even worse that this "other woman" allows it. But hey, I can only think of one motive for his actions - MONEY.
Guarantee that we'll find out after the fact that he's got money coming to him in some form.
It's very pathetic this man didn't have the decency to divorce her before he decided to bed, live and have children to another woman.
It's even worse that this "other woman" allows it. But hey, I can only think of one motive for his actions - MONEY.
Guarantee that we'll find out after the fact that he's got money coming to him in some form.
Llexyn2005-03-30 20:48:13
And oh. I'm not saying she should live the way she has for 15 years. I'm not one to say she should or shouldn't live. Not my place to judge the value of one's life ... but if I were in this state, and someone starved me even if it were out of the kindness of their heart, I'd find some way to haunt them.
Unknown2005-03-30 20:50:11
Yeah, her husband should rot in a dying body while his current woman sleeps around him on.
Thule2005-03-30 20:52:37
QUOTE(Erion @ Mar 30 2005, 03:43 PM)
Dear, her cerberal cortex, the nerves and thinking part of her brain, is pure mush. The cells died from a lack of oxygen from her heart attack. Anything she does now is all subconcious things. I can't stop my heart from beating or my lungs from breathing (for very long). And when people are in commas, their concious brain has absolutely no control. Terri isn't alive. She's been dead for near 15 years. Seriously. Just let her die. They should have called in Kavorkian for this one.
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Regardless of this disputable fact, it really depends on where the seat of consciousness is. If you beleive in an immortal soul and spirit, the condition of the brain is really a secondary issue.
I must say, I'm glad that I'm not in either the husband's (the jerk) or the parent's position.
Bricriu2005-03-30 21:39:05
If they want to go....let them go. Simple as that. It's just as cruel to deny someone their release from pain and suffering, as to have caused it in the first place.
I have a no-go, as well as a donor organ card. If it honestly gets to that point, at least let me die, and save someone in the process instead of making me suffer or be a sack of flesh with nothing inside it for decades.
Hope for a miracle is not a bad thing - but being rational is important, too.
I have a no-go, as well as a donor organ card. If it honestly gets to that point, at least let me die, and save someone in the process instead of making me suffer or be a sack of flesh with nothing inside it for decades.
Hope for a miracle is not a bad thing - but being rational is important, too.
Nyla2005-03-30 21:47:31
I dont think her husband was a jerk. After fifteen years I would expect someone to get on with their lives. If he would have divorced her then her parents would have gained custody of her and kept her living which was against her wishes.
Thule2005-03-30 21:50:40
QUOTE(nyla @ Mar 30 2005, 05:47 PM)
I dont think her husband was a jerk. After fifteen years I would expect someone to get on with their lives. If he would have divorced her then her parents would have gained custody of her and kept her living which was against her wishes.
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Well if he wanted to get on with his life, he should have. BTW, Terri's parents found out he was living with another woman via the newspaper, he didn't have the guts to tell them.....
Nyla2005-03-30 21:57:01
He could have moved on if her parents would just let him carry out her wishes