Unknown2005-03-30 21:58:28
QUOTE(nyla @ Mar 30 2005, 09:47 PM)
I dont think her husband was a jerk. After fifteen years I would expect someone to get on with their lives. If he would have divorced her then her parents would have gained custody of her and kept her living which was against her wishes.
85612
He didn't just -start- with this other woman 15 years later. He was with her nearly the whole time.
Thule2005-03-30 21:59:10
no, he had to sue for malpractice first...
lesson being, let you wishes be put into writing...
lesson being, let you wishes be put into writing...
Erion2005-03-30 22:36:05
QUOTE(Llexyn @ Mar 30 2005, 04:43 PM)
I hear ya, Dag.
It's very pathetic this man didn't have the decency to divorce her before he decided to bed, live and have children to another woman.
It's even worse that this "other woman" allows it. But hey, I can only think of one motive for his actions - MONEY.
Guarantee that we'll find out after the fact that he's got money coming to him in some form.
It's very pathetic this man didn't have the decency to divorce her before he decided to bed, live and have children to another woman.
It's even worse that this "other woman" allows it. But hey, I can only think of one motive for his actions - MONEY.
Guarantee that we'll find out after the fact that he's got money coming to him in some form.
85533
Actually, he has very little money. He made several millions in a malpractice case over Terri, and it was, in it's entirety, placed into a bank account, entirely for Terri's care. That bank account is now empty, ALL of it used to take care of his essentially dead wife. The funny part is the father of Terri supported Michael Schiavo up until he found out that he and his wife weren't seeing a dime of the money. At which point he told Michael he'd make sure his life was a living Hell.
And he's done a good job of it so far.
Erion2005-03-30 22:42:36
And, Llexyn, he's been through TWENTY-THREE courts to get this feeding tube removed, so his wife can die. If he divorces her, he loses all legal rights to her, and thus unable to fullfill her wishes.
You're right, it's really disgusting he loved her so much that he'd remain married to what is the equivilant of a corpse to make sure her wishes are upheld. That he'd spend the money to go through 23 court cases, and turn away millions offered by right-wing christians, to hand her over to her parents. You're right, loyalty in any form is disgusting, especially the kind that causes OVER FIFTEEN YEARS of suffering.
EDIT: Actually, it might only be 22 courts. Not sure if the Georgia 11th Circuit heard the case again.
You're right, it's really disgusting he loved her so much that he'd remain married to what is the equivilant of a corpse to make sure her wishes are upheld. That he'd spend the money to go through 23 court cases, and turn away millions offered by right-wing christians, to hand her over to her parents. You're right, loyalty in any form is disgusting, especially the kind that causes OVER FIFTEEN YEARS of suffering.
EDIT: Actually, it might only be 22 courts. Not sure if the Georgia 11th Circuit heard the case again.
Unknown2005-03-31 01:59:59
Good times. Here is a scan of an affidavit by a Doctor, refuting some very basic 'facts' that the media has given the public: http://www.nationalreview.com/pdf/Affidavit.pdf
Ialie2005-03-31 03:03:48
QUOTE(Raezon @ Mar 30 2005, 03:28 PM)
Ultimately it's the lady's decision... she placed the information in her medical account that said she didn't want to remain in a vegetative state. I have a no-code in my medical file that basically says I DO NOT want anyone to attempt to resuscitate me if I was incapacitated in any way, ie if I'm in a vegetative state only surviving because of machines... frigging let me go. The part people forget is we didn't have these machines hundreds of years ago, those people would have died or survived on their own. Let things happen as they happen and stop trying to play the deity over someone's life.
Addition: Oh yeah, and they can't just slip her something gently as someone's already mentioned. Euthanasia is considered illegal, which sadly means the system is forcing further pain on the people it was supposed to protect.
Addition: Oh yeah, and they can't just slip her something gently as someone's already mentioned. Euthanasia is considered illegal, which sadly means the system is forcing further pain on the people it was supposed to protect.
85514
Not sure Raezon, but a no code or Do no resuscitate tag may not include a feeding tube. Now if you were to go into respiratory or cardiac arrest suddenly then yeah we would just sit around you and watch you die. I think you also need to write out some advance directives, some sort of living will.
I may be wrong though.
Roul2005-03-31 03:34:08
Well, all I know is, if someone says they don't want to live like that, don't make them live like that.
And seriously, she made herself like that. Bulimia, kept throwing up, extreme potassium defeciency over time, coma.
It happens. Its really crappy, but unfortunately, it happens. The main problem in all of this, though, is two sources. The media for playing it up soooooooo much, and the government for trying to step in. Its pretty sad that George W never once left any of his vacations early during either the Afghanistan War, nor the Iraqi War, but he leaves his vacation early for this. Doesn't this seem wrong to anyone else?
And seriously, she made herself like that. Bulimia, kept throwing up, extreme potassium defeciency over time, coma.
It happens. Its really crappy, but unfortunately, it happens. The main problem in all of this, though, is two sources. The media for playing it up soooooooo much, and the government for trying to step in. Its pretty sad that George W never once left any of his vacations early during either the Afghanistan War, nor the Iraqi War, but he leaves his vacation early for this. Doesn't this seem wrong to anyone else?
Unknown2005-03-31 03:39:33
edit: bah, not worth it
Erion2005-03-31 03:40:37
Dangit it, Shiro. I actually wanted to see your opinion. I was curious as to how thick you are ;D
Terentia2005-03-31 03:56:55
It's actually all kind of funny to me.
This all happened to Terri because she became anorexic.
And now she's dying of starvation. How wonderfully ironic.
Personally I think she'll make good material for the "This is what happens when you have eating disorders" borchures they give you in Health classes.
I'm really just tired of hearing about her.
This all happened to Terri because she became anorexic.
And now she's dying of starvation. How wonderfully ironic.
Personally I think she'll make good material for the "This is what happens when you have eating disorders" borchures they give you in Health classes.
I'm really just tired of hearing about her.
Unknown2005-03-31 03:57:29
Wow, I have the same feelings... Thank you Terentia, I don't feel alone
Roul2005-03-31 04:10:35
I hate the pro-life "activists" who always protest protest protest to keep someone alive, be they an unborn fetus, or a comatose vegetable, and as soon as its decided to keep them alive, they just disappear.
No intentions of helping out with the caretaking of said person, just that "OMG THEY'RE ALIVE, YAY - Okay we're done."
So useless. So much h8.
No intentions of helping out with the caretaking of said person, just that "OMG THEY'RE ALIVE, YAY - Okay we're done."
So useless. So much h8.
Devris2005-03-31 04:29:40
QUOTE(Llexyn @ Mar 30 2005, 03:43 PM)
I hear ya, Dag.
It's very pathetic this man didn't have the decency to divorce her before he decided to bed, live and have children to another woman.
It's even worse that this "other woman" allows it. But hey, I can only think of one motive for his actions - MONEY.
Guarantee that we'll find out after the fact that he's got money coming to him in some form.
It's very pathetic this man didn't have the decency to divorce her before he decided to bed, live and have children to another woman.
It's even worse that this "other woman" allows it. But hey, I can only think of one motive for his actions - MONEY.
Guarantee that we'll find out after the fact that he's got money coming to him in some form.
85533
There is a big debate on if he could even do that, how do you divorce someone who can't legally agree to the paperwork or show up to court to divide up assets? He wouldn't have been with his new GF while married if the parents had let him carry out what the courts ordered 9 years ago. Her parents tied it up in litigation since then, so is the guy supposed to wait until he is 90 years old before he is allowed to love anyone again.
He was offered 10 milllion to give her up, no matter what he does after this it will be hard to make more than that. He now has death threats on his life, and his new GF was run off the road the other day and told she was going to be killed too. Either he is in this for his wife's wishes or he is legally insane as no one in their right mind would make their entire family a target for psychos for no reason.
Ialie2005-03-31 04:32:12
QUOTE(Terentia @ Mar 30 2005, 10:56 PM)
It's actually all kind of funny to me.
This all happened to Terri because she became anorexic.
And now she's dying of starvation. How wonderfully ironic.
Personally I think she'll make good material for the "This is what happens when you have eating disorders" borchures they give you in Health classes.
I'm really just tired of hearing about her.
This all happened to Terri because she became anorexic.
And now she's dying of starvation. How wonderfully ironic.
Personally I think she'll make good material for the "This is what happens when you have eating disorders" borchures they give you in Health classes.
I'm really just tired of hearing about her.
85917
Hey! When I said this to shiri he said I was mean!
Raezon2005-03-31 04:39:47
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Mar 30 2005, 08:59 PM)
Good times. Here is a scan of an affidavit by a Doctor, refuting some very basic 'facts' that the media has given the public: http://www.nationalreview.com/pdf/Affidavit.pdf
85876
I'd still want to be dead at that point. A mininal state? Come on, who wants to exist when they can't correspond or interact with anything except the occasional smile they can't control. It'd be like being trapped in a living hell that I can't even take the pain to throw myself off the cliff to end the madness. Anyways, as to someone mention the do no resuscitate code, I have a living will that basically amounts to... if I can't mentally do everything I was able to do beforehand, then let me go. I'm sorry but I don't want to return to a persistant toddler-hood.
Devris2005-03-31 07:18:01
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Mar 30 2005, 08:59 PM)
Good times. Here is a scan of an affidavit by a Doctor, refuting some very basic 'facts' that the media has given the public: http://www.nationalreview.com/pdf/Affidavit.pdf
85876
They've actually had nearly a dozen doctors who have reported on Dr. Chesire's report and the flaws in it. He didn't analyze a great many things from her records, and it is rumoured he was pressured by Gov. Bush to make the report as he did.
The other Doctor supporting the Schindler's case has been fined for "experimental" procedures and is now being sued by nearly 30 patients. He claimed to be a Nobel Peace Prize nominee, which is a term that doesn't actually exist according to the committee in charge of that. On top of that, they also said they have never heard of him nor has his name ever come up. He has been called a "quack" by all his peers, and recently had 3 branches of his practice shut down.
So forgive me when I side with the dozens of Doctors on the other end, including the 6 court appointed doctors. Not to mention that Dr. Wolfsen, who was the guardian appointed by Gov. Bush in 2003, said that he ruled she was in a PVS as well. This was the doctor that Gov. Bush placed full faith in to make the call, and when he made the call on it, Gov. Bush still kept up his act.
Shiri2005-03-31 13:19:01
QUOTE(Ialie @ Mar 31 2005, 05:32 AM)
Hey! When I said this to shiri he said I was mean!
85940
Yeah, you said something like "She got into this by being anorexic, she won't mind not having a feeding tube." Which you actually admitted at the time was mean. I'll chalk that one up to me being a little oversensitive, though, so meh.
Unknown2005-03-31 16:19:20
Now she is gone, her "husband" denying her parents the right to be at her bedside when she passed.
Erion2005-03-31 16:49:37
I'm glad. Now they can report something useful again, like Michael Jackson.
I swear, that poor man's just being picked on.
I swear, that poor man's just being picked on.
Manjanaia2005-03-31 17:59:50
I didn't know much about the husband, (We get less coverage in England) but no-one has the right to deny the parents the right to grieve for the child, no matter what happened in the child's life.