You should be a Mugwump anyway. 
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Apr 7 2005, 08:04 PM)
1) Most serenwilders cannot cure or heal at all, they have no clue how to even use their primary skill properly, and never even tried to find uses for their secondary skills... and 2) Their skills are completely subpar to sacraments for paladins, and a single skill for ur'guard: lichdom.
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I am probably one of those serenguards who dont know how to use my skills.
I am not comparing skillsets but for argument's sake, can you explain how Stagstomp, Ancestralcurse or Gore can be used effectively in combat? Also when shall I use the totem related abilities? Bolting and Pacing are not combat related but I hardly use them. I will be most curious to know if anyone actually uses them.
Moon is a little bit better, given that just having it can be part of a coven. The coven abilities are nice but it doesn't really suit a Serenguard. May be it's just me, but why be a warrior when all I can do is sit around with others as far from the frontline as possible? As for offensive, there is Waning, Dark and Moonburst, which, again, I have trouble to use effectively. Waxing is nice but cannot be compared with Puella.
The truth is that I dont use any of my totems abilities in combat anymore because I find them less effective than a simple swing/swing.
QUOTE(terenas @ Apr 7 2005, 03:22 PM)
devastating abilities like Cruxify
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Wait up, Thorgal. Brood Viscanti - 16 STR. Elfen Lord - 14 STR. +1 bear to the Elfen Lord, makes 15. That means equal during the day, and three less during the night. And you AREN'T going to try and tell me a 11 INT Moonburst is going to do 1000 damage, especially with magic proofings. That is not excusable.
And gore does NOT do that much. It just...doesn't. It's a statistical fact. :/
And Terenas is a Merian. Not an Elfen, which is the Serenwilde race. So his moonburst is slightly over there. But then his STR is 10. 10, damnit. And if he's doing nothing but moonburst he doesn't have any passive attacks going on at all.
And gore does NOT do that much. It just...doesn't. It's a statistical fact. :/
And Terenas is a Merian. Not an Elfen, which is the Serenwilde race. So his moonburst is slightly over there. But then his STR is 10. 10, damnit. And if he's doing nothing but moonburst he doesn't have any passive attacks going on at all.
QUOTE(Ceres @ Apr 7 2005, 04:33 PM)
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Go look at how cruxify completely shuts down Amaru or Tuek or Narsrim during team combat, that is what I was referring to.
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To enchance your damage, you get +1 strength from bear spirit, which leaves you with only one strength less than an ur'guard at night, and 4 strength more than an ur'guard at day, you also have an extra balance recovery level at all times, aslaran serenguard have a lvl3 balance recovery, dracnari have a lvl1 balance recovery, etc...I don't think you understand how magnificent that is. As finishing moves, you get either moonburst or gore, both do up to over 1000 damage, through rebounding, and neither can be dodged or avoided except by shielding.
So yeah, serenguard are all about damage, which they get the means for. I've seen you moonburst for 1300 damage against an alarming rate...except for some crappy abilities that need tweaking, you're seriously overdoing the underpowered-rant.
So yeah, serenguard are all about damage, which they get the means for. I've seen you moonburst for 1300 damage against an alarming rate...except for some crappy abilities that need tweaking, you're seriously overdoing the underpowered-rant.
I do high damage moonburst because I have 19 intelligence with knowledge blessing. How are you even remotely comparing damage potential when Ur'guards get Omen to stack on top of their damage? You're also forgetting that Fortuna also gives Ur'guards +1 strenght as well, that evens up the playing field, and at night we don't even compare. You're also forgetting the passive effects from Contagion or Heretic/Infidel that are completely unblockable, whereas we get Stagcurse/Darkmoon, how do those even compare?
P.S.- Add ectoplasm to your list of 4 or so only useful abilities in Necromancy, Thorgal, every single Ur'guard I've fought have used it, so it isn't one of the useless abilities of Necromancy.
shiri who are the most damaging ur'guard and serenguard? Will make it easy for you icarus and ixion... check out their races.
Who said anything about sacrifice? You still didnt answer my question though.
I can think of uses for slice tendon and sliced ear too.
Problem is its hard to make it stick because stacking capability is absurdly low with the randomization, thus it will get healed before you can take advantage of it. (Well unless people dont know how to heal)
and blah terenas you know how to block contagion... dont be silly.
Fortuna gives us +1 strength but how often does that happen? :\\ So over all to get our supposed +3 we have 1/6 chance for 1/3 of a day. So chances are in 6 hours we have around 20 mins of +3 strength... nice... thats for 1 person though so what are the chances of 3 ur'guard all having +3 within that 20 min period... heh
Yeah ecto is useful too in a sense. Umm... how does focus spirit get stopped by an Ur'guard? The damage potential is different... One is just stronger and faster passively, while the other needs set up has a time limit and can be stopped. Seriously guys its not like the divines didnt look at the overall effects of these things once integrated.
I agree with seren needs a little tweaks but i honestly dont think its as bad as you guys put it. The only serenguard i've seen who seemed to have a clue as to what they were doing (not just slashing away) was Terenas, who I'd say has the capability to beat any other knight out there. Also take note all the known ur'guard who are supposedly good fighters are artified. How many non-artified ur'guards do you really hear about?
Who said anything about sacrifice? You still didnt answer my question though.
I can think of uses for slice tendon and sliced ear too.
Problem is its hard to make it stick because stacking capability is absurdly low with the randomization, thus it will get healed before you can take advantage of it. (Well unless people dont know how to heal)and blah terenas you know how to block contagion... dont be silly.
Fortuna gives us +1 strength but how often does that happen? :\\ So over all to get our supposed +3 we have 1/6 chance for 1/3 of a day. So chances are in 6 hours we have around 20 mins of +3 strength... nice... thats for 1 person though so what are the chances of 3 ur'guard all having +3 within that 20 min period... heh
Yeah ecto is useful too in a sense. Umm... how does focus spirit get stopped by an Ur'guard? The damage potential is different... One is just stronger and faster passively, while the other needs set up has a time limit and can be stopped. Seriously guys its not like the divines didnt look at the overall effects of these things once integrated.
I agree with seren needs a little tweaks but i honestly dont think its as bad as you guys put it. The only serenguard i've seen who seemed to have a clue as to what they were doing (not just slashing away) was Terenas, who I'd say has the capability to beat any other knight out there. Also take note all the known ur'guard who are supposedly good fighters are artified. How many non-artified ur'guards do you really hear about?
QUOTE(terenas @ Apr 7 2005, 11:12 PM)
Go look at how cruxify completely shuts down Amaru or Tuek or Narsrim during team combat, that is what I was referring to.
I do high damage moonburst because I have 19 intelligence with knowledge blessing. How are you even remotely comparing damage potential when Ur'guards get Omen to stack on top of their damage? You're also forgetting that Fortuna also gives Ur'guards +1 strenght as well, that evens up the playing field, and at night we don't even compare. You're also forgetting the passive effects from Contagion or Heretic/Infidel that are completely unblockable, whereas we get Stagcurse/Darkmoon, how do those even compare?
P.S.- Add ectoplasm to your list of 4 or so only useful abilities in Necromancy, Thorgal, every single Ur'guard I've fought have used it, so it isn't one of the useless abilities of Necromancy.
I do high damage moonburst because I have 19 intelligence with knowledge blessing. How are you even remotely comparing damage potential when Ur'guards get Omen to stack on top of their damage? You're also forgetting that Fortuna also gives Ur'guards +1 strenght as well, that evens up the playing field, and at night we don't even compare. You're also forgetting the passive effects from Contagion or Heretic/Infidel that are completely unblockable, whereas we get Stagcurse/Darkmoon, how do those even compare?
P.S.- Add ectoplasm to your list of 4 or so only useful abilities in Necromancy, Thorgal, every single Ur'guard I've fought have used it, so it isn't one of the useless abilities of Necromancy.
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You should stop posting, cause your posts are starting to make less and less sense. Since when does fortuna give an ur'guard +1 strength? It adds a random point to one of your stats, strength, dexterity, constitution, charisma, size, intelligence...really man, do some research.
Also, talking about balance in teams is just plain ignorant, skills are NOT balanced with the eye on teams, every bloody skill is useful in teams.
Darkmoon and stagcurse on the other hand are not supposed to be the equivalent of contagion, they're the equivalent of crucify and sacrifice, both are crappy abilities, and both need fixing, cause sacrifice is even less effective as dark moon, and that says a lot.
