Yes, it is useful with aeon, if you can keep someone aeoned long enough to crucify him, it might screw up some people if you crucify them aeoned.

Except ur'guard don't have aeon.

aye i thought they were comparing serenguard to ur'guard, why we talking about aeon only serenguards get that one.

I was just pointing out that it was useful for a Nihilist, which is what Thorgal is.

Edit: Unrelated, but I think there should be two _slightly_ different version of Necromancy, Sacraments, Stag, and Moon. Nihilists have one or two different skills from Ur'Guard, Celestines from Paladins, and Serenguard from Hartstone, and Serenguard from Moondancers.

so is it useful for an ur'guard?

edit : i agree with you on your edit tuek... hard to give ideas for a set when you have to consider it affects 4 other guildsets which can make it crap for one and absurd for another.

Yeah, Crucify is useful for nihilists, although not really worth the 8 power, just like Spawn isn't worth its 8 power, that is why they never get used in one vs one battles. Though both are more useful than dark moon or stagcurse for a nihilist.

But we're comparing ur'guard to serenguard, and ur'guard have as much use for crucify than serenguard for dark moon or stagcurse.

Maybe have dark moon and stagcurse cost 4 power instead of 8? Divine seem reluctant to want to change much about the nature of those skills.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. I'm well respected in both the organizations I was involved with in Achaea. Timux was a pk whore, and a general idiot, something that can't be claimed in any way about me, considering I only fought organizational battles and am well verse in anti-idiocy.

I have recieved CFs and GFs for loyalty and defense my organizations here in Lusternia. In fact, I died around a dozen times cleansing tentacles, blobs and other ugly things recently. Again, you're full of crap.

Sure sure.

You're still the one full of crap, to the brim... throughout my years in both achaea and lusternia, my main concern was helping people to learn how to cure, I've worked my ass off helping anyone that needed it for free, written tutorials, spent hour upon hour teaching, writing help files, testing, admin work, just ask the ashura, the shamans, the apostates, I don't think a random retard can tell me how I behaved in achaea, without actually having met me.

I know that Fortuna can give you +1 to a random stat, but if you take the randomness factor out, you can still get +1 strength from it, do you deny that? That still doesn't justify the fact that you omitted 5 or so useful Necromancy skills in your list of 'useful' skills that comprised of only: Contagion, Ghost, Putrefaction and Lichdom. When in fact Omen, Ectoplasm, Cannibalize, Feed, and Carrion are used frequently and often. Look at how many combat orientated abilities Necromancy offers, and how many offensive abilities Serenguards get from Stag or Moon.

Stag- Headbutt, Swiftstripes, Gore, Stagcurse, Staghide.
Moon- Lash, Aura, Waning, Darkmoon, Moonburst.
Necromancy- Contagion, Putrefaction, Omen, Feed, Ectoplasm, Crucify, Sacrifice, Drain.

We get 5 offensive abilities as opposed to your 8, I sincerely can't see how you can argue that Necromancy isn't better than Stag/Moon.

Oh my god, Thorgal was Timux? That really, really explains a lot.

Singollo sure loves to praise himself, so I've noticed. That's like every single one of his posts, basically saying, "I'm better than the rest of you."

Dude...I think you're smarter than that. Singollo merely replied to my comparing him to Timux.

I was Hathrael, not...Timux.

You really oughta check out that log with the timestamps before listing necromancy skills again.

Oh. Yeah, I read that wrong. *cough* And I'm not even that tired today.

EDIT: And Asarnil - lash does nothing for Serenguard, Moonburst does nothing for Serenguard apart from possibly Terenas, and then not much, Aura isn't even an attack, and EVERYONE knows the patheticness of Darkmoon. And waning obviously doesn't do a whole tonne for them either (no passive pixies/pookas etc.). Sooo, if we're comparing skills there, at least you got ectoplasm/omen. And only two guilds can reliably deal with ectoplasm, and you're hardly going to fight one. Anyone but Aquas has to use enchantments, and as ectoplasm doesn't take power you can just keep doing it until they run out.

I never denied having an ego.

Lash could do something for the Serenguard if it wasn't dependent on arm balance, and heavily intelligence based. A guard could strike twice and then suck some mana from you. Since Moondancers use equilibrium it wouldn't affect them, unless of course they're trying to be a tanky race instead of an intelligent one. It could eventually catch up with a person's sip, but then again sparkleberry hurts this idea entirely too much.

Repeat after me, Win more skills != good skills.

Ecto/Omen are ONLY good IF and ONLY IF your opponent is already screwed - well ecto is good if you plan on chucking 20+ ecto's up hoping you wear out their cleanse enchantment, and in that time we aren't doing anything else offensive, so when we get back to fighting our opponent is back at full health with no other afflictions. Not to mention in that time, every guild in the game could escape like 1000 times.

Omen sure as heck isn't. As Murphy just demonstrated, a sensitivity/omen/doublepulp took off about 5k health. You can lower that quite a bit sans omen. And that's hardly its only application. And uh, that's why you do ectoplasm at the START. If "running away from it" is an option, I never want to hear complaints about inquisition again. You don't repeatedly do it in the middle of a fight while they're injured, wounded and afflicted, that's just totally pointless.

Sensitivity/Omen/Pulp only really happens when someone else omens the target, therefore its not a 1vs1 situation and doesn't have any application. Omens 4p, pulp is 8p, so unless you regenerate 2p in 10 seconds (which I suppose you could do if draining your opponent - but then if they haven't cured the sensitivity in that time they deserve to die) and pulping once. Please try and look at the logistics of the skills before you complain about their usage.

Edit: Oh and running away is a more than viable tactic - do I really need to dig up and quote Hajamin?1

1 We really should give him more of a break, but its just so much fun

Perhaps.

Ecto then.