Asarnil2005-04-08 17:03:44
When you are ecto-whoring, you aren't doing anything that can actually kill your opponent - at most you are just slowing them down so its harder for them to kill you. This DOES give you more effective health than normal, but even then Ur'Guard tend to have a decent amount of Con so health isn't their biggest priority.
Terenas2005-04-08 17:06:59
QUOTE(Asarnil @ Apr 8 2005, 04:14 PM)
Repeat after me, Win more skills != good skills.
Ecto/Omen are ONLY good IF and ONLY IF your opponent is already screwed - well ecto is good if you plan on chucking 20+ ecto's up hoping you wear out their cleanse enchantment, and in that time we aren't doing anything else offensive, so when we get back to fighting our opponent is back at full health with no other afflictions. Not to mention in that time, every guild in the game could escape like 1000 times.
Ecto/Omen are ONLY good IF and ONLY IF your opponent is already screwed - well ecto is good if you plan on chucking 20+ ecto's up hoping you wear out their cleanse enchantment, and in that time we aren't doing anything else offensive, so when we get back to fighting our opponent is back at full health with no other afflictions. Not to mention in that time, every guild in the game could escape like 1000 times.
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Yeah, please explain this to me how.
Amaru's Log against Daevos- Note Daevos did not use Puisssance.
QUOTE
3730h, 3100m, 3310e, 8p exkdb-generosity
Daevos pronounces that you are under an ill omen, and a sense of imminent
OMEN - DOUBLE DAMAGE!
foreboding descends upon you.
evoke pentagram
Muttering words of power, you trace a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that
remains hovering before you, protecting against assault.
3725h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
Daevos razes your magical shield with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword.
3725h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3725h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
Daevos wildly jabs a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword at you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
1950h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
Daevos wildly jabs a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword at you. You are
pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the Rift to 748.
690h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
You have recovered equilibrium.
690h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p exkdb-
Daevos pronounces that you are under an ill omen, and a sense of imminent
OMEN - DOUBLE DAMAGE!
foreboding descends upon you.
evoke pentagram
Muttering words of power, you trace a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that
remains hovering before you, protecting against assault.
3725h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
Daevos razes your magical shield with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword.
3725h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3725h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
Daevos wildly jabs a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword at you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
1950h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
Daevos wildly jabs a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword at you. You are
pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the Rift to 748.
690h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p xkdb-
You have recovered equilibrium.
690h, 3070m, 3310e, 9p exkdb-
Damage with Omen- 3035
QUOTE
2759h, 3100m, 3310e, 10p xkb-
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
1953h, 3100m, 3310e, 10p xkb-
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. Daevos strikes into your gut, which opens up and pours blood in a
pool at your feet.
You may eat another herb.
1074h, 3100m, 3310e, 10p xkb-
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
1953h, 3100m, 3310e, 10p xkb-
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. Daevos strikes into your gut, which opens up and pours blood in a
pool at your feet.
You may eat another herb.
1074h, 3100m, 3310e, 10p xkb-
Damage without Omen- 1685
Daevos did an additional 1350 damage with Omen and without Puissance, please tell me if -any- Serenguard has the capability to do this much without Omen?
Even Icarus as a Dracnari with 18 strength and 2 lightning runed flails did only 2400 damage to me with his Pulp and I have level 2 lightning weakness. Anyone mind explaining how it's alright for an Ur'guard to do that level of damage and still get all the other passive afflicting abilities?
Asarnil2005-04-08 17:09:31
Daevos has arti-blades. I thought we cleared all this up - if you are going to bring up a counter argument, at least make one that has a chance of not making us laugh while you look like an idiot.
Terenas2005-04-08 17:10:07
QUOTE(Asarnil @ Apr 8 2005, 05:09 PM)
Daevos has arti-blades. I thought we cleared all this up - if you are going to bring up a counter argument, at least make one that has a chance of not making us laugh while you look like an idiot.
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Look at my part regarding Icarus's artifact flails.
Singollo2005-04-08 17:12:46
QUOTE(Asarnil @ Apr 8 2005, 01:09 PM)
if you are going to bring up a counter argument, at least make one that has a chance of not making us laugh while you look like an idiot.
92675
So are you arguing that Serenguard are well off as far as skills are concerned? If you aren't I hope you'd have the courtesy to drop whatever your point is from this thread and take it to a different one. If you are arguing that Serenguard are well off, well then, I hope you look at that quote I just made and save yourself some humilation.
Unknown2005-04-09 08:11:22
Just one clarification, since someone keeps arguing about the difference between a good skill, and skill thats only useful if you are already winning. Well fine, don't give us good skills, give us win-more skills, we don't care, just anything better than completely pointless would be fine by me.
Narsrim2005-04-09 09:05:21
QUOTE(AlyssandraAbSidhe @ Apr 9 2005, 04:11 AM)
Just one clarification, since someone keeps arguing about the difference between a good skill, and skill thats only useful if you are already winning. Well fine, don't give us good skills, give us win-more skills, we don't care, just anything better than completely pointless would be fine by me.
93095
But you have totemreturn and pacing
Thorgal2005-04-09 09:49:46
I said they're useful, not good..
It's pretty useful to be able to sprint around the basin with an army following you, especially considering there is no balance to sprinting, you can get anywhere within a second.
It's pretty useful to be able to sprint around the basin with an army following you, especially considering there is no balance to sprinting, you can get anywhere within a second.
Sylphas2005-04-09 19:27:51
How does that help more than walking? If we're trying to get away, we'll follow someone and have them teleport out. And do you really sit around whoring Farscout so you can jump a group on their way to raid you, before they actually get there?
Alger2005-04-09 21:33:32
a lot of raiders sprint around and you cant hope to catch them if you're walking. So its either you sprint after and lose form or lose the target.
Ceres2005-04-09 21:37:59
He meant pacing, presumably.
Thorgal2005-04-09 21:43:15
Yeah...I meant pacing, I thought that was pretty obvious..
Terenas2005-04-09 21:43:55
QUOTE(Asarnil @ Apr 8 2005, 05:09 PM)
Daevos has arti-blades. I thought we cleared all this up - if you are going to bring up a counter argument, at least make one that has a chance of not making us laugh while you look like an idiot.
92675
In case you didn't understand the point that I was trying to make, Daevos's arti-blades normally do around 1600 damage to Amaru, but when he used Omen, the damage jumped up to 3000. The fact that he has arti-blades is irrevelant when comparing the damage done with and without Omen using the same weapons. Please do try to read the entire post instead of being like Thorgal and insult others at every possible chance you get just because you feel the need to. It really doesn't add anything to your point.
Thorgal-
I'm still waiting to hear as to why you didn't list Omen, or Feed, or Ectoplasm as some of the useful abilities (as in abilities that are used according to you). If you're going to mention abilities like Shine and bonded Totem abilities, then at least bring up other Necromancy abilities to make your point that Necromancy is on par with Stag/Moon.
Thorgal2005-04-09 21:48:26
Feed has a bloody 9 second equilibrium recovery next to draining almost no nourishment at all.
Omen is cured instantly by focus spirit, though it does have some use against those that don't have focus spirit.
Ectoplasm is less useful than a web enchantment, since it serves the same purpose, except you can still get hit, and it only works on warriors. The only use it might have is in combination with scabies and epilepsy, to try and pull off a nearly impossible sacrifice, as a nihilist, it's not of any use for an ur'guard, if he needs time to heal, web works better and stops the opponent entirely.
Omen is cured instantly by focus spirit, though it does have some use against those that don't have focus spirit.
Ectoplasm is less useful than a web enchantment, since it serves the same purpose, except you can still get hit, and it only works on warriors. The only use it might have is in combination with scabies and epilepsy, to try and pull off a nearly impossible sacrifice, as a nihilist, it's not of any use for an ur'guard, if he needs time to heal, web works better and stops the opponent entirely.
Shiri2005-04-09 21:50:48
Feed doesn't drain next to no nourishment at all.
Not everyone has focus spirit, but okay.
Level 1 balance regain that warriors cannot cure because if they do you'll just ecto again and they'll have lost an enchantment thing is NOT worse than a web enchantment in any way shape or form.
Not everyone has focus spirit, but okay.
Level 1 balance regain that warriors cannot cure because if they do you'll just ecto again and they'll have lost an enchantment thing is NOT worse than a web enchantment in any way shape or form.
Thorgal2005-04-09 21:54:59
Saying feed is useful in combat for a necromancer equals saying dark moon and stagcurse are awesome skills.
Silvanus2005-04-09 21:57:25
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 9 2005, 03:50 PM)
Not everyone has focus spirit, but okay.
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I guess no one can commebt on Ancestral Curse/Dark Moon being cured by focus spirit for 250 mana.
Shiri2005-04-09 22:01:40
You don't NEED focus spirit to have absolutely no problem with Stagcurse/Darkmoon.
Silvanus2005-04-09 22:03:24
And you don't need focus spirit to have no problem with omen. Just pentagram, rebound, move away, weave statue/nature (for mages), fly, burrow, hermit out, catacomb.
Shiri2005-04-09 22:05:10
Once again, running away when someone uses a skill on you isn't a good argument. Otherwise heretic/infidel/inquisition is fine.
