By whom? Lisaera. Therefore, Serenwilde is at fault. Serenwilde = Celest. Listen to Elryn!

No, no, it was all Magnagora's fault, for helping the Crows.

Hell, if we're going to ignore logic while we're arguing about this, let's name the organisation my character in game doesn't like, since it's just as valid as the other view being presented.

It is all that weevil's fault. Die, weevil!

We never intended to raise Crow. We actually were against it, as it would draw attention to us. And we're not the Disciples. We're the Night Coven. Get it straight, god. o.O

And the post by Gregori was all because we fed him a bunch of BS when he was dreamwalking in the room.

No, not by Lisaera. Push the circle arguement all you want. As much as some try to make it lead to the Serenwilde, others can make it lead to Raezon and Magnagora.

Nah, it doesn't really lead to Magnagora any more than it does to Serenwilde- Raezon didn't suggest using the seal with Magnagora's blessing, as far as I know- just as Serenwilde did not suggest using the seal either.

When we first appeared in the room, Viravain and Lisaera said it was just a reminder ot the past, and it'd be just this small corner.

Lisaera and Serenwilde is the one who pushed Viravain, and had her decide to do it. The blame is on Serenwilde.

Exactly. (Referring to Xenthos.)

So if people insist on attributing it to Serenwilde, we're gonna turn around and attribute it to Magnagora, as it has exactly as much validity.

EDIT: Referring to Silvanus: No, no, no. We've been over this already. We didn't push her to use the seal. That was the only thing that went wrong.

And because I can see Erion's post for some reason even though it's after mine, NO Erion, using the seal was NOT WITH THE SERENWILDE'S SUPPORT.

But Viravain did it with Serenwilde's blessing AND support, with Lisaera and (word has it) Lacostian's backing.

Viravain did not use the seal with Serenwilde's blessing OR support.

Not really. The logic Raezon = Magnagora is wrong. But the fact that the Serenwilde DID support Viravain in untainting is right.

So, Celest supported the killing of Fae. Woops, the attempt botched! So it's not Celest's fault that it's leadership killed the fae, only Rhysus, Erion, Lyren, and the rest that were on that bashing trip?

No, but they did support the venture.

On that note - why should you care the method? You're just pissed the Seal broke. Had it succeeded, you'ld be happy and giggly.

She detainted the individual sections as such. She used the Seal at Raezon's behest. As he is a patron of a Magnagoran Guild that makes it Magnagora's fault.

But Raezon didn't do it with Magnagora's support. Viravain did it with Serenwilde's support. There is the difference.

Slight difference. The way of untainting we were promoting worked. There were no ill side effects, and if it had continued as such, it would have KEPT WORKING.

The damage was ONLY because the seal itself was used, and the seal was used because Raezon brought it up. Neither Raezon nor Viravain had any support (besides each other) in that last part.

Yes, but she was going to detaint the Glomdoring anyways, and restore Revan. Lisaera and Sernewilde pushed her to do that,t hey may have voice their opinions against it, but they still went along with it and did nto try to stop it. (I am reminded by Rowena, who voiced her opinion that it should not be done in Project Cosmic Hope, but did not try to stop it and let it go by). Its Serenwilde's fault for pushing Viravain, and even knowing a risk, for being stagnant also.

The Seren didn't say "untaint it room by room" or "don't use a seal" or "use a seal" - they said untaint it. That means "by any means necessary" is implied.

Um, because it was using one of the Seals that bound Kethuru. Duh? Using it isn't going to have any negative side effects, is it? Gee, let's all go dance around the maypole while the world crumbles around us.

Duplicity by association.