*blink @ erion* Im not gonna say anything to that...

I have to agree with Visaeris

You don't -have- to make an alt to help with the creation of a place on the culture level. Working oocly with the people who want the place because they wish to play in it or lead it works just as well. So you cant say you don't want -something- there.

Yes, there is a big difference between making a character who's 16 and comin outta the portal with "swiss cheese" as you put it Ak... that 16 year old should probably have the inverted version of swiss cheese for -quite- some time and -not- be 'advanced' in the ways of the world. Really hate that 16 is an option in the portal..

The idea of having a Glommy history is good, but do it justics not disgrace -.-

I picked 16 when I came out because I had no clue what was going on, by the time I turned 18 or 19 I took more control and stopped listening to as many people

good Dag.. then again Ive never doubted yer RPing abilities *hum* else I wouldnt of been yer daughter elsewhere or let you marry my lil sister heh lol

Edit: Nevermind, missed a word

Nothing at all wrong with it.

As said here previously, portal memory loss = IC explanation for OOC lack of knowledge, not an IC attempt to hobble OOC knowledge.

Are we going to demand that the players of alts fein amnesia that crocodiles can break limbs? Refuse them the right to complete quests that their player has already solved? Should we ask Estarra to install a "confusion" program that will make all alts wander randomly if they themselves haven't been through an area before? How about forbid players from using an automations and shortcuts they set up for use by their original character, because of the uncanny speed and skill it would grant to the new alt?

Any player who can come in with a brand new character and step into a position of power has worked darn hard making connections.

I'm just failing to see substantive harms that come about as a result of allowing people to actually RP alts. We should be encouraging RP, not puting a timer on it. "No RP until you're 18" just hurts RP in the basin overall.

If I have an idea for an interesting RP'ed character concept, why do I have to idle around for 2 weeks acting like a newbie before I can put it into action?

While I admit that people need to actually RP their backgrounds (i.e. 16 year olds that are wised learned scholars, experts on every aspect of every history), its just rediculous to have some sort of buffer zone where RP is illeigal. Why bother I say?

The argument that its OOC is kind of rediculous because newbiehood exists to let people learn enough to be IC. Ideally, everyone would come out of the portal able to RP an interesting developped position. The fact that this isn't the norm because of the OOC fact that not all newbies are alts or well developped alts isn't evidence for why we shouldn't encourage it IC.

We should push for this, not beat people because they don't conform to a norm set by OOC constraints.

Look at Barry for example, all faults aside why would it make sense to force his player, in this case Guido, to wander newton pretending to be a stark novice until the rest of Lusternia decided he was "ready" to RP.

Lusternia is just as akin to the Rennaisceance (or however it's spelled) as it is to the modern world. Go back a few hundred years, and a sixteen year old is an adult, and has been for a few years. There's no reason they shouldn't be quite knowledgeable.

I'm only thirteen, and heaven knows I'm more well-read then people three times my age.

Congratulations on completely missing the point.

It isn't worth arguing this anymore since people have made their positions pretty clear.

First off, I had to read that two or three times, because the -first- time I read it as, "Else I wouldn't have been your daughter while you married my little sister."


Second off...

OMG!111!1!!! Someone made an alt fresh out of the Portal, and they KNOW THEIR WAY AROUND! How come they don't have to forget everything they know, and can just wander around villages and stuff, and not ask stupid questions with glaringly obvious help files?! Damn metagamers!

You don't have to When choosing your age say 25 or something, dont join a city/guild to begin with and claim you were wandering around the lands trying to remember your previous life first.

There's a difference between not acting like a newb and being a completely learned, brilliant, 16 year old scholar, straight out of the portal.

Actually whats worse is when people come out of the portal and claim to know everything about your modern history...

That was really wierd how someone seemed to have intimate knowledge as to who and what Visaeris did and what he did 30 years ago.

I actually agree. (with visaeris, ninjaed! )

Sierus and I once made alts in Aetolia, twins, and managed to bug everyone with the fact we knew everything. The GM, Arafel, was pissed.

We just RP'ed it. *shrug* She was like, OMG, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT.

We had to dumb ourselves down, and I felt it was moronic to expect that of us.

I also had to stop helping novices that had been there for years, when we were fresh out.

That's the worst part of playing an alt. I answer a question someone has, and then have to scurry about somehow to cover the fact that I shouldn't have known that. I'm so used to just chiming in at random times that it's a really hard habit to break.

Actually, Selthar (as her mentor) spent about 2 hours explaining stuff to her... Lots about politics and stuff. What she knew was old and based on what her father had done before he left the commune.

The things Morrigana does know are based on the things her father told her when she was young, during his visits, and what she has heard brennan or rowena mention, or glimpsed from hiding about in the forest. Most of her factual memory is somewhat in tact, but her memories of her relationships are a bit screwy, as are her memories of how she learned what she knows.

I think it's kinda cheap for people to make alts and just kinda pick up where another of their characters left off. I do a lot of family stuff, and it takes a lot of work to roleplay finding a child you don't remember like 25 times, but that is what it takes to be able to have that IC experience. the same should be true for other experiences, like political or philosophical knowledge. The way I interpret the portal of fate idea is that characters may remember fuzzily something they were deeply emotionally attached to, like the identities of their family members (and then again they may not), but to say you remember petty political stuff is just an abuse of the alt system

the most difficult thing for a character to obtain in lusternia (from an ic point of view) is political information and positions, friends in good positions, etc...
If you have the same knowledge about everything that a character that has been around for over 10 years, then the portal of fates didn't work well with you.

Thanks for not adressing my point.

I'm impressed, you found a way to avoid all of my arguements and try to make yourself look smarter than me at the same time!

But its such a great way to have Dynasty families.

During the one political era, the Kennedies run Magnagora, then the alt becomes a Kenedy that runs Celest, then has a brother who has a world wide franchise of Kennedy clothing etc etc.


A One man Dynasty... I love it!