Yes, from my perpective, after Isune fell and we all had a moment of silence, I checked politics, saw the uninfluenced villages. Then I checked who and noticed Borca in Delport. I don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what he's doing there. So I go in a check. I try to influence a mob there, and it says it's already considering Magnagoria, confirming my suspicion. I then alerted Shamarah, who had the demesne around Delport.

You see how the flow of events worked.

I said all three were blamed for this. However, most wanted peace for awhile.

Considering Delport and Dairuchi belonged to us before any of this happened I don't see the problem with us influencing. We were being peaceful (except Stangmar, as usual) until people from Celest decided that they didn't want to let us take back what was ours, and by the way, I influenced Dairuchi with just a chanter and no violence was involved.

What bothers me is that they let the villages be influenced once again. If Glomdoring/Whatever is going to be a result of this event, wouldn't it have been nice to give them a shot at one of the villages to start? I guess I called it wrong as far as that was concerned.

While I'm not sure what a DoK is, that's a hair-splitting. While a simple, fair agreement to allow villages to fall back to where they came from for this one time was being discussed and agreed to by two parties, Magnagora was showing their honor for the sacrifice of a Goddess by looking to see if there was any candy left on the floor they could grab while everyone else was distracted with gratitude. Saying it's "not aggressive" could hardly be more beside the point.

Once again, the quick, cheap steal that costs you more in the long run is the Magnagoran way. "...learning that brute force was not always the answer and instead finding more subtle manipulations were just as effective..." Hahahahahahahahah. No word is more incorrect in that quote than the first, though they're all laughably inaccurate. Estimated time until Magnagora whines that everyone gangs up on them and treats them like treacherous brutes for no reason: ten minutes.

And also, if we didn't influence it's pretty obvious that either Celest or Serenwilde would have influenced instead. We just decided to take the initiative and get the villages back.

Like I said, no celestian wanted to influence until we have grieved over Lady Isune's death. Since she was our city patron, that would last a long time

Magnagora would've been completely out of role if they hadn't started immediately.

But you admit that you wanted to influence, and Celest lost no villages, so that must mean that you were going to go for one of ours. Why should we have given you the chance?

I don't agree with that. It IS aggressive. The cities need the resources of the villages to survival. So essentially, denying a city/commune a village is an attack on that city, and should be viewed as such. It's not combatitive (though it often degrades to that), but it is surely aggressive.

No one forced you into disrupting your grieving to stop us from influencing.

Once again, Magnagora never agreed to an agremeent like this. Daevos hd never even heard of it.

Second, you happen to not notice anything about Magnagora, its influencing skills, even its skills.

The proposal was simple: everyone gets the same villages they had this round, and then next round, everything's fair game as usual.

Two parties agreed. One party was influencing Stewartsville as well as demesning it and using that demesne to attack people as they entered. Not all of that is attributable to a single person since I personally saw at least three more people from said city influencing during that time.

Magnagorans, if your leaders are telling you it was just Stangmar being a loose cannon, they are lying. But I don't think that's it. I think you're just lying with them.

Yeah I know I thought that, when the villages started dropping, that meant we'd finally get something.

But no joy

Even if this agreement was true, Celest broke it by attempting to steal Delport off us (the fact that they got people to attack us so we couldn't influence proves that). People bitch about us being aggressive but no one was forced to attack us while we were supposedly being the aggressors taking back what was ours to begin with.

Yes, I know they didn't agree to it. That's the point. That's how they honor the sacrifice. Standing outside the funeral mugging people while their eyes are full of tears. Even worse since you owe your lives to that sacrifice too, which makes it like mugging people at a funeral of someone in your own family. You must be proud.

I was the only one influencing, and I was not influencing until after Shamarah had killed Borca. Stangmar was the only one trigger happy, and no treaty is valid without Daevos' consent, I think thatss fairly obvious by now, thus there was no agreement.

Boy, Silvanus, that "there was no agreement" thing really got stuck in there, didn't it? You just can't see past it. It's all right if you rape and murder your sister, as long as there was no agreement not to, I suppose.

I like how everyone goes on and on and on about how Magnagora is "evil."

Then they all act suprised and indignant when we hit below the belt.

And all I've gotta say is...she wasn't -my- goddess. Sure, I appreciate the sacrifice and all, but, well....you snooze, you lose.

That's a pretty loathsome comparison, and completely inaccurate.

Magnagora did what Magnagora should have done. Isune was a New Celest God. Magnagora does not like New Celest.

I don't even see why this is an OOC argument or even discussion.