Navaryn2005-04-07 02:24:24
Argh! The event is already over?! Dammit, my very first event in Lusternia and i missed it! This is so frustrating. Bah.
By the way...
DoK=Disciples of Klangratch(sp?)
That's a clan.
By the way...
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While I'm not sure what a DoK is
DoK=Disciples of Klangratch(sp?)
That's a clan.
Shiri2005-04-07 02:24:24
QUOTE(Ixchilgal @ Apr 7 2005, 03:21 AM)
I like how everyone goes on and on and on about how Magnagora is "evil."
Then they all act suprised and indignant when we hit below the belt.
Then they all act suprised and indignant when we hit below the belt.
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I'm gonna leap in here and say, yeah, fine. But then don't object when people DO call you evil. 'cause the amount of Magnagoran players that get all surprised when you say Magnagora's evil is absolutely staggering.
Desdemona2005-04-07 02:26:40
So Shamarah started it all... Shamarah is Celest, no? Why get Serenwilde involved? Could've go get your villages, instead of going to Stewarts. Though a scavenger has to eat, so it wasn't Magnagora's blame.
Narsrim2005-04-07 02:54:10
Let's be honest. Did Stangmar get the random idea to demesne all of Stewartsville and attack people with Magnagora having no idea but at the very same time being present in the village and influencing?
Furthermore, Stewartsvile was taken from Serenwilde by Viravain. It was certainly an "aggressive" action against Serenwilde (ask the leadership of Serenwilde, they are the ones who decide and they called it as such) to be an opportunistic leech and try and take it.
And Visaeris, Lady Estarra even decreed that we mortals should seek peace if only for a day. Magnagora couldn't handle that.
Furthermore, Stewartsvile was taken from Serenwilde by Viravain. It was certainly an "aggressive" action against Serenwilde (ask the leadership of Serenwilde, they are the ones who decide and they called it as such) to be an opportunistic leech and try and take it.
And Visaeris, Lady Estarra even decreed that we mortals should seek peace if only for a day. Magnagora couldn't handle that.
Veonira2005-04-07 03:19:03
QUOTE(Gwylifar @ Apr 6 2005, 09:11 PM)
QUOTE(Silvanus)
As Lisaera said on DoK, influencing is not aggresive nor is it combatitive.
Once again, the quick, cheap steal that costs you more in the long run is the Magnagoran way. "...learning that brute force was not always the answer and instead finding more subtle manipulations were just as effective..." Hahahahahahahahah. No word is more incorrect in that quote than the first, though they're all laughably inaccurate. Estimated time until Magnagora whines that everyone gangs up on them and treats them like treacherous brutes for no reason: ten minutes.
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The second I read that sentence was the second I stopped taking anything you said seriously.
I'm with Ixchilgal on this one. I wasn't here at the time, so I can't say that I know everything that was going on, but Isune was not a Magnagoran God, so it goes perfectly with the Magnagoran role.
I don't see how Magnagora influencing makes us evil in any way, either.
Daganev2005-04-07 03:20:19
Lets pretend for a moment that Magnagora was held to some agreement.
Stagmar attacked Brylle, a person trying to get food. Not a person influencing, or doing anything else productive on the learge scale. Thus it was a personal attack. Stagmar then gets in trouble for it.
Meanwhile, Magnagora is busy influencing the villages it had lost to viravain. Its not premptive anything. Magnagora had no need to sit around moping, so they went to take back what was theirs to begin with.
Narsrim and Shamarah apparently were not happy with magnagora taking back thier own villages, so they attacked the influencers. When Nasrim attakced stagar, nobody defended stagar, it was when Narsrim and Shamarah started to attack the influencers that Magnagora decided to take whatever they were capable of taking.
There was no violence or aggression untill Narsrim and Shamarah attacked people trying to influence.
treaty/agreement or none doesn't really matter.
Stagmar attacked Brylle, a person trying to get food. Not a person influencing, or doing anything else productive on the learge scale. Thus it was a personal attack. Stagmar then gets in trouble for it.
Meanwhile, Magnagora is busy influencing the villages it had lost to viravain. Its not premptive anything. Magnagora had no need to sit around moping, so they went to take back what was theirs to begin with.
Narsrim and Shamarah apparently were not happy with magnagora taking back thier own villages, so they attacked the influencers. When Nasrim attakced stagar, nobody defended stagar, it was when Narsrim and Shamarah started to attack the influencers that Magnagora decided to take whatever they were capable of taking.
There was no violence or aggression untill Narsrim and Shamarah attacked people trying to influence.
treaty/agreement or none doesn't really matter.
Xenthos2005-04-07 03:23:51
Ignoring, of course, the demesne covering Stewartsville, right? And by accounts I've heard, some influenced Stewarts citizens before Narsrim killed anyone?
Rashidat2005-04-07 03:24:32
Why must you people go on like this. There is nothing to discuss. Magnagora had no reason to extend grieving time to Celest. What is with this crap about trying to influence people on these boards. Even if Daevos is full of
- even if it was carefully crafted strategy, even if you prove it to certainty on the boards, no one should take that information with them IC.What is accomplished? More circular arguments about how bad one side, and retorts about how bad the other side is?
Daevos2005-04-07 03:27:30
Extend grieving time to Celest? Explain that?
Celest lost no villages, and the fact that Shamarah raised a demense in some of Delport and turned it against us. As we were just taking back what was Magnagora's to begin with, shows that Celest planned to assault that village but on their time schedule not ours.
Celest lost no villages, and the fact that Shamarah raised a demense in some of Delport and turned it against us. As we were just taking back what was Magnagora's to begin with, shows that Celest planned to assault that village but on their time schedule not ours.
Unknown2005-04-07 04:02:07
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Apr 6 2005, 06:54 PM)
And Visaeris, Lady Estarra even decreed that we mortals should seek peace if only for a day. Magnagora couldn't handle that.
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Singollo2005-04-07 04:20:58
QUOTE(daganev @ Apr 6 2005, 11:20 PM)
Lets pretend for a moment that Magnagora was held to some agreement.
Stagmar attacked Brylle, a person trying to get food. Not a person influencing, or doing anything else productive on the learge scale. Thus it was a personal attack. Stagmar then gets in trouble for it.
Meanwhile, Magnagora is busy influencing the villages it had lost to viravain. Its not premptive anything. Magnagora had no need to sit around moping, so they went to take back what was theirs to begin with.
Narsrim and Shamarah apparently were not happy with magnagora taking back thier own villages, so they attacked the influencers. When Nasrim attakced stagar, nobody defended stagar, it was when Narsrim and Shamarah started to attack the influencers that Magnagora decided to take whatever they were capable of taking.
There was no violence or aggression untill Narsrim and Shamarah attacked people trying to influence.
treaty/agreement or none doesn't really matter.
Stagmar attacked Brylle, a person trying to get food. Not a person influencing, or doing anything else productive on the learge scale. Thus it was a personal attack. Stagmar then gets in trouble for it.
Meanwhile, Magnagora is busy influencing the villages it had lost to viravain. Its not premptive anything. Magnagora had no need to sit around moping, so they went to take back what was theirs to begin with.
Narsrim and Shamarah apparently were not happy with magnagora taking back thier own villages, so they attacked the influencers. When Nasrim attakced stagar, nobody defended stagar, it was when Narsrim and Shamarah started to attack the influencers that Magnagora decided to take whatever they were capable of taking.
There was no violence or aggression untill Narsrim and Shamarah attacked people trying to influence.
treaty/agreement or none doesn't really matter.
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So its only okay when only a Magnagoran attacks someone for personal reasons? You have yet to impress anyone with a sound argument, Daganev.
Daganev2005-04-07 05:29:15
the conversation I heard about the year of peace was about organizations, and it was explicity said that individual attacks and grudges would not be a factor.
But it really doesn't matter.
Heck, in Magnagora I got accussed of being a serenwilde spy for stateing that argument.
But it really doesn't matter.
Heck, in Magnagora I got accussed of being a serenwilde spy for stateing that argument.
Devris2005-04-07 05:48:50
So no Glomdoring yet, and no Rowena back to refill?
*sob*
Lost so many levels and now can't get decent health vials to refill.
Fun event overall though, so I don't mind the level loss at all. Sucks that I passed out from lack of sleep and missed the true ending, but nice job with the event.
*sob*
Lost so many levels and now can't get decent health vials to refill.
Fun event overall though, so I don't mind the level loss at all. Sucks that I passed out from lack of sleep and missed the true ending, but nice job with the event.
Daganev2005-04-07 05:59:22
No events post, no true ending...
Revan2005-04-07 06:22:08
I wasn't there for anything (due to a really crap DSL connection...), but from what I can see... a treaty was made with Celest and Seren to get back the villages they already had. Note: ALREADY HAD. Magnagora proceeds to get back the villages THEY ALREADY HAD. Celest and Seren get pissed because Mag's getting the villages THEY ALREADY HAD even though they agreed with each other to get back villages THEY ALREADY HAD. See a problem? I sure do. It's called hypocracy and a double standard.
Jalain2005-04-07 06:47:45
If Shiro insists on looking at this from an IC stand-point, why don't I do so from the stand-point of the villages in question?
I've just been attacked by a god, and I have no protection from City or Commune against those (PC or NPC) who would try to take advantage of this by killing me and my people, stealing from our warehouses, ect., ect.
Personally, I would want the protection of a City or Commune as soon as possible. But of course, much of the Basin in the Cities (at least in Celest this time) and Commune, sees us as below their notice. We don't have the chance to greive the loss of a Goddess when we are in fear of loosing our lives.
Not everything should be seen from the perspective of Celest, Serenwilde or Magnagora.
I've just been attacked by a god, and I have no protection from City or Commune against those (PC or NPC) who would try to take advantage of this by killing me and my people, stealing from our warehouses, ect., ect.
Personally, I would want the protection of a City or Commune as soon as possible. But of course, much of the Basin in the Cities (at least in Celest this time) and Commune, sees us as below their notice. We don't have the chance to greive the loss of a Goddess when we are in fear of loosing our lives.
Not everything should be seen from the perspective of Celest, Serenwilde or Magnagora.
Daganev2005-04-07 06:50:55
another reason for these threads to exist on the board, is so that people don't have to recap everything in the game and so richter can play from work 
Shamarah2005-04-07 10:28:40
I was told to "go set up a demesne in Delport so we can influence it".
That kinda implies attacking people who walk into it, doesn't it?
Besides, Shamarah doesn't see anything wrong with what he did. In fact, he sees it as what Isune would have wanted us to do (i.e. honor her memory but then not let that stop us from going and furthering the cause of the Light).
But whatever.
That kinda implies attacking people who walk into it, doesn't it?
Besides, Shamarah doesn't see anything wrong with what he did. In fact, he sees it as what Isune would have wanted us to do (i.e. honor her memory but then not let that stop us from going and furthering the cause of the Light).
But whatever.
Ialie2005-04-07 10:34:29
Niara2005-04-07 10:46:56
Uhm, about the agreement, I offered it a few times over the Harbinger clan but got ignored completely, so obviously Daevos didn't want it or whatever.
I am pretty disappointed, this was a real chance for some peace. I also don't see any reason to blame Narsrim. When Stangmar did his thing I asked over the Harbinger clanif he could called back and leave Stewartsville but nothing happened. As he was busy making his demesne there with no intention of leaving he was killed. When we noticed the others from Magnagora in Stewartsville it was pretty obvious that they intended to influence and so the fighting started.
You screwed a very good chance, well done.
I am pretty disappointed, this was a real chance for some peace. I also don't see any reason to blame Narsrim. When Stangmar did his thing I asked over the Harbinger clanif he could called back and leave Stewartsville but nothing happened. As he was busy making his demesne there with no intention of leaving he was killed. When we noticed the others from Magnagora in Stewartsville it was pretty obvious that they intended to influence and so the fighting started.
You screwed a very good chance, well done.
