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Subjective analysis



Unquantifiable leap in logic.



So where are the facts? Some people complained (not all Serens complained and not all those who complained were Seren) and some things got changed and some some people are dissapointed with the change. I hardly see the basis for the leap in logic you seem to think is fact.




*Imagines* Yes, and? I still don't see how what you said is fact. I agree that people could be a little more appreciative but I see where they are coming from in objecting to the particular upgrade given.

I don't.
An average balance runist, inside of a demesne, can tie down even the most competent of fighters, if they select runes correctly.
Therefor, a level 3 balance recovery faeling in a hartstone demesne, using melancholic/choleric cure runes...

Quidgyboo, keep quiet, you haven't got the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

Fact: You wanted upgrades to faeling, you got a great upgrade, massively boosting the ability of hartstoners to survive and afflict, but you're still not satisfied!

The end.

You know what, let me take a moment here.

Thankyou everyone for putting in the two levels of balance upgrade. It is a lovely thought, and I really appreciate that someone is looking at the racial balance and addressing what they believe is necessary.

It was fun while it lasted... now please take it away.

Thorgal, keep quiet. Quidgyboo's statements, all of them, were entirely correct. This "no matter what you give them" crud you just pulled out of your shoe is in fact a load of rubbish, you're just settling into the archetype lots of Magnagorans work so hard to prove they don't conform with - the person who takes IC attitudes OOC and sticks with them because "the enemy" is obviously foul, biased scum.

What if for the aslaran upgrades you wanted you got something like "immune to forced movement while flying" or something that required you to be a guardian/wiccan? Or something like "level 1 demesne effect balance improvement"? Would you be happy? No, you wouldn't.

It's a wonder so many people keep their patience.

Dude, what kind of bull is that? You're acting as if faelings don't get any advantage out of this upgrade...

Faeling hartstone with runes now have a massive boost to their ability to hinder and afflict their opponent, increasing their chance to kill, increasing their chance to survive.

What the hell is your problem?

Is this an advantage? Yes it is. The demesne effect balance improvement would be a great improvement for Hartstone/Aquamancer/Geomancer Aslarans. Is it the advantage they need? No it isn't.

The problem is that there are many more Wiccan Moondancers, and don't bother trying to say there's no good reason for that again, than Hartstone Moondancers. And for them there's almost no benefit. Similarly, there are many more warrior Aslaran than mage Aslaran. Would you be happy with a demesne effect tick improvement? If you can honestly say that's all you want for Aslaran, then I'll concede your point. (And ignore your argument, as it will be clear you have little to no idea of what you're talking about.)

EDIT: And it's not even as though Faeling Hartstone have to take runes. And nowhere in the histories is there any indication they should have runes rather than dreamweaving, I'm sorry to say. Even Dain's a dreamweaver, so if you're going to try and use the excuse that he's a faeling so that's an indication that Faeling should be Hartstone, you have to accept it's not balanced because of this.

It does nothing for faeling Moondancers. Nothing. Might as well have not been upgraded as far as I'm concerned. Good for the runic druids, I guess.

Okay, then just don't be a faeling moondancer, do you see any tae'dae mages, or mugwump warriors? Screw history!

Hartstone dreamweavers, Thorgal! Remember Dain!

And seriously, yes, the Hartstone were taught Druidry by the Fae, but the Wiccans have that, AND they have an entire Fae skillset. Go on, COUNT the runic Hartstone faelings. Count 'em. Probably try and use Laysus again. Count them now, I dare ya.

EDIT: And I almost forgot. Where's that file that says that Faelings are given special status by Wiccans? I forget. But it's there. I'll find it in a bit.

Bah, I'm just trying to defend the divine here, they had to have some reason to make this change.

If that's really what you want to do, stop calling people ungrateful and stuff for disputing it. WE'RE being respectful about it. You can clearly see how it's not the change that needs to be made. Stop being so inflammatory about things. I have no idea how the Faelings are keeping their patience.

However, it's a start. And it's good that the administration are in fact showing interest in racial balance. That's great. But better suggestions were made.

Maybe ask the divine why they made this change then, don't think we had a reply yet.

Right.

OH yeah I can cut gems and things really fast now!!

WOOOT WATCH OUT FOR MY MAD VIAL MAKING SKILLS! I WILL PWN YOU ALL WITH VIALS!

There are exactly ZERO runes cured by a purgative, unless you plan on getting lucky with othala.

But my character already is a faeling moondancer and will -always- be a faeling moondancer! Hmph.

Thorgal, I think that the Divine are capable of defending themselves pretty well.
Only because most people here disagree with this change doesn't mean that anyone is bitching.
It is nice to see that the faelings finally received an upgrade but it went in the wrong direction. Moondancers and Druids mostly use equilibrium and not balance. I doubt that there will be a new generation of faeling warriors. They would surely look cute but that's probably all and doesn't really justify such an extreme advantage. Even though for faelings rather useless it is still a very extreme advantage.

This reminds me of an old spell in some rpg. The spell was called 'Laumi's instant death'. It was a really mighty spell. You cast it and everyone with the name 'Laumi' would drop dead without any saving throw on the whole world.

No, Othala is only able to give you rune-based afflictions. Only way a Mage archetype is able to give anything that is cured by purgative is through the Hartstone's spores that gives asthma.