We have NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with Orcs. Considering what the majority chooses to be based off, by your arguement alone, we should have Elfen as the main language. Acknor is a village we influence. We don't live there.

Personally, I'd rather we had our own language - the one based on Hazar's idea, the slang/mix, if only for RP.

Agreed. Athana was an Elfen who moved to Magnagora and became Viscanti, or how I see it just a tainted Elfen. I think it would be cool to be able to speak to other tainted Elfen. Makes sense to me.

No, because elfen and Viscanti don't have much to do together. So what? Elfen were one of the many parents that generated the Viscanti. Remember that you aren't a first generation Elfen Viscanti, in some point your lineage could've interbred and start losing your Elfen hertiage just to create your own racial identity. In my opinion, the Viscanti through their developement could've easily forgotten all languages, or even better also create a hybrid tongue (a mixture of all the sounds/noises of the other racial tongues who participated in the breeding of the Viscanti resulting in a cacophony ony understandable by Viscanti) . And Viscanti have to do plenty with the orcs. Master and slave can become an intricate relationship.

Desdemona...maybe you aren't catching on. Speaking ORC when WE are superior to them is not something a Viscanti, in their right RP mind, would do. At all. Especially if they have no blood ties to them. Do you hear cases about say...whites in 19th century America speaking the various African languages? No.

Elfen are just as low, but, they at least have blood ties.

Wha? If anything, Viscanti are just a mixture of like.. anything that happened to get tainted in the past. Their new forms caused them to bond with fellow Viscanti, interbreed, and eventully become their own thing. Now it could be said there's a Viscanti tongue due to centuries of living together and whatnot to weed out Illusion-using spies or they could just leave them the way they are now. I wouldn't give an in-between unless the language code was reworked in general.

I still think that the slang/mix would be best - just for rp. If that was the case, we wouldn't need to understand them all, but Viscanti should have a language. :/

Maybe I have the idea of overcomming communication breeches all wrong. I thought that a Master who moves to a country of were "slaves" are predominant would either bother to teach their language to their slaves or learn their language. Always had considered this to be what actually happened. Anyway, I'll concede to you in this part and completely forget the idea of Viscanti being capable of learning Orclach.

Regarding, even when Elfen have blood ties that extend generations beyond, I don't think their relations at this height aren't as important or dominant as before to have their language integral. If anything Viscanti should be speaking something like Afrikaan. I guess the only reasonable solution would be if Viscanti generated their own language.

We'd be happy with our own language.

As for learning Orclach, it would hardly be impossible - but no self respecting Viscanti would claim it for their racial language.

Orcs are not predominant in Magnagora, no matter how many times you say it. Viscanti are predominant. By your logic, all Orcs should speak Furrikin, since they have enslaved the Furrikin. Since we have enslaved the Orcs, we should speak their language: Furrikin. Do you see how this argument is flawed? You assume that the Master/slave relationship is one of equality: it is not. The master bends the slave to his will, and the slave will learn to understand the master and pieces of the master's language. Whoever made the comment about early American slavery is correct. The plantation owners didn't learn to speak the native African tongues, the slaves learned to speak their owners' English (albeit slightly adapted).

It would be great if Viscanti could get a bits-and-pieces language, being an amalgamation of the other languages of the Basin.

-Nok

I agree that it doesn't make sense. I'm 1/4th japanese, I don't know how to speak it. Viscanti are like 1/8th taurian 1/9th merian 1/7th trill etc...

Something I had overlooked is that in Lusternia we have the common tongue which already serves as link between every race. I dislike that practically everything is perfectly capable of speaking a universal language...

I bet you at least know a few words though...why wouldn't there be a mesh of them and slang?

A great example of the mixed-slang that would be fitting for the Viscanti is the Hawaiian dialect that is often spoken on the islands. It's a bastardization of English and (I think?) the local Hawaiian language. While I can understand some of it, as a non-speaker of it, I can't understand a lot, even though it's mostly English.

Perhaps one of our Hawaiian players can further elaborate on this sort of mixed-language slang? I know my information probably isn't as accurate as it should be, only knowing about it in passing from Hawaiian friends (and being subject to hearing them speak it on occasion)

-Nok

you should hear singlish

There is no good point to any of this. The Viscanti have been a race unto themselves for -far- long enough a time that by now any remnants of the languages from which the original line sprung would have been overtaken by regional dialectic adjustments. I, for instance, am Portugeous, French, Blackfoot Native American, Italian, and English. Of those, I know how to speak English. Just having some genetic traits passed down along the way is hardly relevant to what languages I do or do not know. As for the argument that Lusternia isn't the real world and so knowledge of language functions differently, well, all the more reason why you shouldn't know languages other than a Viscanti tongue. Even reincarnating from a Merian to an Elfen, I lose all former knowledge of the capacity to speak Merian.

I'm insulted, Bric! Llexyn does NOT resemble an elfen at all. If anything, she probably looks more like a Lucidian.

I kind of like Hazar's idea. This one isn't my call, but I would suggest if that's what you really want, start RPing it on your own. Alot of changes like that might happen if we see many of the players seem to enjoy it.

There is no reason for the Viscanti to speak anything but Common. They are a mishmash of races. They had to be able to speak to each other when they first became tainted. They would have spoken Common back then. That would have stuck until now. There was no point in time where the Viscanti were totally isolated from other races. The Viscanti are also not created from one of the Gods. Any language development would have taken place in Magnagora and would be known to all residents regardless of race.

Wait.. I am mistaken. The Divine did have a hand in your making. In this case, Kethuru was the Divine. I propose you all take the Tainted Viravain as your model. Use lots of caps, swearing, and blatant threats.

Ooooh, I half like Rashidat's suggestion. The swearing part ... oooh, yah. The whole taking Viravain as our model? Nah. The CAPS thing would have to be barred. I hate people who shout in CAPS. The only time I find CAPS being warranted are when we're having to point a HELP FILE to someone who isn't aware of it.