My post is not about basic warrior damage being high. My post is about elemental runes raising the damage nearly double of what it normally is. That was what my original post was about too, like my D. point stated. Do you understand now Thorgal?

What you just stated is BS Thorgal. His damage was with a champion staff, and two blessings. Also, the time he did that damage to you, he also had Ceres' scepter (800cr). Please stop trying to distort things to fit your points.

It doesn't bloody matter dude, you're circling around the point, without elemental runes, a warrior couldn't kill his grandma if she was even remotely tanky, they need elemental runes to be decent.

I'm taking between 1500 and 2000 from staffs, I cannot dodge any of it, I cannot parry any of it, I cannot shieldriposte any of it, I can't learn any skills to resist or lessen the damage, I can do jack about your bloody damage. But against a warrior that does 2400 a round to me, I CAN do things, I can do a LOT of things, I can learn combat to stance and parry more effective, I can learn resilience, I can wear armour, I can use shields, I can shieldriposte the crap out of him, I can dodge...I can do whatever the hell I want about his damage.

Ask Shamarah, he said on DoK that he didn't have any scepter when he staffed me .

You can shield from it. Void also has about the same recovery to it as pentagram, so you could shield over and over and really never get hit by the staff. So, still you are distorting the truth to suit your purposes. You are also ignoring the extraordinary circumstances that allowed Shamarah to do that damage to you. In the end, you are just biased against anything that gives you a problem.

Nope, wrong again, void has a MUCH shorter equilibrium recovery than pentagram or circle.

Murphy has the same blessings than Shamarah by the way, you're still circling around the point.

I can't ask on DOK, since I quit it. Shamarah can answer on the forums himself though. He was lurking on the thread when I was writing this.

False, it is not a much lower equilibrium. It is only a slightly shorter one. Perhaps you should try it out. On the otherhand, raze is normally a lot faster than the equilibrium recovery on pentagram.

Also consider that Thorgal has a much longer recovery time than Shamarah. Shamarah can easily out-do Thorgal's shielding efforts. But that's another story

3075h, 4480m, 10p ex---/00:08:34.320/
Muttering words of power, you poke your index finger towards Luthe and make a
hooking gesture. Invisible energies slam against Luthe, ripping apart his
magical shield of protection.
3075h, 4450m, 10p x---/00:08:35.910/
/==============\\
| Balance Recovered |
\\==============/
3075h, 4450m, 10p ex---/00:08:38.580/

3075h, 4420m, 10p ex---/00:08:55.570/
Muttering words of power, you trace a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that
remains hovering before you, protecting against assault.
3075h, 4390m, 10p x---/00:08:56.890/
/==============\\
| Balance Recovered |
\\==============/
3075h, 4390m, 10p ex---/00:09:01.940/

Void : 2.6 second

Shield: 5.2 second

Pwnt.

Mages generally have faster equilibrium, so they'll be voiding at thrice the speed I can shield at. But even without faster equilibrium, it's exactly twice as fast...you need to recheck your knowledge before arguing next time.

And? What does that have to do with my point that an artifact should not raise the damage of the user by 80-100%?

Is it just me or is that actually 4.26 seconds on void?



08:38.58 - 08:34.32?

You seriously can't be that daft man, knights NEED elemental runes, they just suck balls without them, as an aslaran with 3000 health, a sipping penalty, no resilience and crappy chainmail, I can tank 4-5 knights using stances and parry, as long as they don't have elemental runes.

The statement of “Pwnt” is childish for one. Second, I never trust what you say on face value so I will conduct my own test once I am in. Even if your numbers are correct, that still leaves you easily enough time to shield over and over and heal up.

It has to do with the fact that your staff damage > his sword damage in that he can't really block it because shielding is worthless, whereas you can parry/stance/rebound/etc. against a knight.

That still does not go to the point that an artifact should not increase the damage of a person by near 80-100%. Perhaps average damage of warriors need to be increased over all, but an artifact should not be available that gives that much of an extreme boost in offensive capabilities.

38.580 - 35.910 = 2.6

I hope I don't have to teach you how to read logged timestamps, or how to substract.

Any thing written can be altered. I hope I don't have to explain to you how documents can be falsified.

That's another case, if their base damage would get upgraded, elemental runes could get downgraded, but as it is now, they need the runes to be anywhere near decent.

Well, if you can call me a liar, I can call you a retard, fair is fair.