Whart annoys me is people compare wisp to demesne summon!


ITS NOT THE FRIGGIN SAME!

Demesne summon can ONLY be used if the ONE MAGE is in the area, and has it melded.

Wisp can be used by ANY moondancer, regardless of who has it melded.

they are 2 different kettles of fish, and wisp > empress due to not needing them lusted. the are DIFFERENT BLOODY SKILLS (This goes out to most of the serens, especially shiri) THEY ARE DIFFERENT!!!!!

Yes, wisp > empress, no one is disputing that.

But...demesne summon is much the same. The one mage is in the area, and has it melded. That's the case in point.

EDIT: Actually, empress is a lot better defensively, as even novices can do it, and it's worldwide. But for this purpose, yes, wisp is better. Which is just as well because it's about 4 from trans in our primary skillset.

Bah shiri you aren't getting my point. ITS NOT THE SAME

A heap of moondancers can get into a forest as wisp, with ease. a mage has to have it melded, and be online, AND only that mage can use it.

You can have a heap of moondancers in the area wisping at once.

And what the hell? A novice is gonna get you lusted (which means getting to your spot first) AND empress you? While you can just wander into a guarded room with a door as wisp trap till your hearts content while defending an area? Cmon man, think about it.

...spuh? See, a novice can lust someone ahead of time, and empress them out, worldwide, should they call for help.

That's what I'm talking about with that. Wisps don't do that.

And the thing is, while it may be different on Ethereal, we need a Hartstone to forest things. Moondancers can't do that. Demesne summon is the same because, well, the mage needs to be there, and if he is, it'll work. A moondancer needs to be there for wisp, and if he is, it'll work. If attacking and don't have a mage with you, you can't EXPECT demesne summon to work.

no but wisp is a case of pick a moonie any moonie.......and there are always a few of you around.

Geomancers have to get in there and taint and meld the place up

Actually, it's not any moonie. It's at about...Myth. (Or 50% fabled, actually.) So not many have it. Still, there's usually one.

If people don't have trans Wicca they're not fighting anyway.

thats right, i'm talking about having trans guildskills otherwise you can't call them a fighter.

Hell even nejii and shorlen have wisp (i believe) and they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag

Pff. Nejii could fight his way out of a paper bag. Probably even a plastic one.

And okay, whoah, if we're talking about fighters, you wanna know how many we have? 4. And two of us suck. So don't even try that route. :/

my point, serenwilde has bugger all decent fighters, yet they can very easily defend their villages with near novices, yet we have nothing of that ability.

and I'd like to see nejii accept a combat spar from murphy, and not be a whore who fights easy people to get ahead

That is THE most hypocritical remark ever.

You said it after I fought Amaru and died in like 30 seconds from a mixture of that damn handmaiden and me being stupid. Yeah, 'cause HE'S an easy opponent. RIGHT.

And if I'm that crud, then you'd be doing the exact same thing. The only reason I was fighting Thaemorn so much is because he needed aeon practice.

Wisp is quite high up. Earlier, Laysus was having a rest and people were screaming for him to come to ethereal 'cos noone else around could wisp.

Thing is, Serens excel at guerilla-style attacks. You get a large group on a larger group of ours, though, and we're screwed.

Yeah, but that's not because of your skillsets.

A: That's utterly untrue.

B: In certain cases where Magnagora has defeated you while outnumbered, it's simply dedication and organisation. I was immensely impressed at the efficiency with which Magnagorans were doing their stuff on Ethereal.

Damn right, give us balance in skillsets and a level playing field, not let seren have the advantage because they don't have many fighters

Difference is, I generally fight anyone who asks me in the combat rankings, regardless of my rank.

Being high up in the combat rankings should mean you are obliged to defend your potiions.....not it doesn't bother me cause i'm ranked 2nd

EDIT: How bout you fight me without my arties? i've you're gonna be a girly man about it

We SHOULD have the advantage in forest. I don't care if they give Magnagora and Celest something similar in their environments, but why should you be on a level playing field when raiding our home territory and villages?

giving us something in our environments would be a good solution.

you guys already have flow in your forests, and maybe wisp should only work in true forest

Don't forget, you aren't really fighting us. You're fighting an outmanned, skill-less, powerless, advantageless set of rogues pulling for Glomdoring that have gotten our help. I'm sure 99% of them would rather be doing it without us, but they, even though by YOUR LOGIC should, have no advantage in forests yet. They need us disadvantaged folk to even stand a fracking chance.

Please, no. I hate the whole argument that everything has to have an opposite or similar function throughout all the guilds. It gets so boring; "they can summon in forest, so we should be able to summon in taint" - It is just so unimaginative.

I'm not saying this to defend the skills or whatnot, I honestly think there are better ways to go about it than to create equal opposites all the time.