Narsrim2005-04-18 20:09:14
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Apr 18 2005, 04:08 PM)
Yep.
Not that it'd make any sense.
Not that it'd make any sense.
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The mysticism of vodun would actually put rather interesting/feasible to weave in for a witch-based guild.
Sylphas2005-04-18 20:15:30
I always liked the RP of the Wytchen in Imperian.
Thorgal2005-04-18 20:21:12
Hmm, massively downgrade the healing and defence, and get vodun instead of hexes/healing, would even make sense.
On another note, I think a Moondancer's three nexus-specific fae are mother, nymph and sprite right? All three are defensive, that's most likely where moondancer tankiness comes from, since drawdown and aura ain't that great, seeing you still take plenty of damage from knights and mages.
Going from above paragraph, I think the shadowdancers will most likely be much less tanky and defensive, since their three nexus-specific fae seem to be offensive. Even if hexes get upgraded, they won't budge any good curer cause they're purely affliction-based.
Conclusion: shadowdancers will be more fun to fight as, and to fight against.
On another note, I think a Moondancer's three nexus-specific fae are mother, nymph and sprite right? All three are defensive, that's most likely where moondancer tankiness comes from, since drawdown and aura ain't that great, seeing you still take plenty of damage from knights and mages.
Going from above paragraph, I think the shadowdancers will most likely be much less tanky and defensive, since their three nexus-specific fae seem to be offensive. Even if hexes get upgraded, they won't budge any good curer cause they're purely affliction-based.
Conclusion: shadowdancers will be more fun to fight as, and to fight against.
Shiri2005-04-18 20:23:45
Wrong.
Maiden
Mother
Crone. And Crone is offensive as you know.
Anyway, Thorgal, that wouldn't work necessarily, as all guilds are supposed to have a choice, according to Roark.
So it'd have to be Vodun/Something Else. And pulling up and balancing two skillsets isn't really gonna happen when they can just fix healing and hexes so they stop sucking.
Maiden
Mother
Crone. And Crone is offensive as you know.
Anyway, Thorgal, that wouldn't work necessarily, as all guilds are supposed to have a choice, according to Roark.
So it'd have to be Vodun/Something Else. And pulling up and balancing two skillsets isn't really gonna happen when they can just fix healing and hexes so they stop sucking.
Thorgal2005-04-18 20:26:04
Pah.. maiden, nymph, mother, crone, I lose track of all the girly fae.
And well, healing seems bugged, 300 mana per affliction should be 100, just like in achaea, where the skill is copied from.
And I'd love to see Tuek's changes for hexes going in, then it'd be actually worth it to have good curing .
And well, healing seems bugged, 300 mana per affliction should be 100, just like in achaea, where the skill is copied from.
And I'd love to see Tuek's changes for hexes going in, then it'd be actually worth it to have good curing .
Daganev2005-04-18 20:26:33
You sure Crone is Moon only? Rowena turned herself into a crone before the first avatar was raised.
Shiri2005-04-18 20:28:14
I am sure Crone is Moon only. I'd post the AB file, but I can't be bothered to type it, and I can't copypaste from JAVA. But trust me, it takes Moonhart Tree power. And also, Albion is First of the Crones.
Narsrim2005-04-18 20:41:43
Just to clarify the Mother, Maiden, and Crone ordeal and them being restricted to the Moon skillset it comes from this:
Many Wiccans consider the Moon to the be the embodiment of the Tripple Goddess who is represented by the three aspects of womanhood: young woman (Maiden), birth-giving matron (Mother), and the wise, elder woman (Crone).
Many Wiccans consider the Moon to the be the embodiment of the Tripple Goddess who is represented by the three aspects of womanhood: young woman (Maiden), birth-giving matron (Mother), and the wise, elder woman (Crone).
Narsrim2005-04-18 20:42:54
QUOTE(daganev @ Apr 18 2005, 04:26 PM)
You sure Crone is Moon only? Rowena turned herself into a crone before the first avatar was raised.
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I noticed this too. I think the idea was that she was aging into an old woman not a "crone" in the sense of the wise, elder representation of the Tripple Goddess which is physicall embodied as the Moon.
Daganev2005-04-18 20:44:35
ahh yes... Rowena's natural state is an ugly old woman. I keep forgetting that.
Erion2005-04-18 21:04:45
Morrigan (That which Night seems heavily based off of) was a triple goddess, as well.
And three seems to be a very common number within Lusternia. Three guilds per city, three communes, three guilds per commune, three avatars for Moon and Night...
Hum.
And three seems to be a very common number within Lusternia. Three guilds per city, three communes, three guilds per commune, three avatars for Moon and Night...
Hum.
Narsrim2005-04-18 21:14:24
QUOTE(Erion @ Apr 18 2005, 05:04 PM)
Morrigan (That which Night seems heavily based off of) was a triple goddess, as well.
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Sorta but no. You are slightly confused.
The concept of the Triple Goddess is that she is the supreme. There is no being beyond her (think Estarra!). She is composed of three aspects: the Mother, Maiden, and Crone.
There are, however, Goddesses who embody the triple aspect within themselves include: Brigid, Carmenta, Hecate, Helice, Kali, the Morrigan. These Goddesses, however, are not "The Triple Goddess" who is associated with the Moon (which is the physical embodiment of Her).
I know it is technical but it isn't the same.
Narsrim2005-04-18 21:16:10
QUOTE(Erion @ Apr 18 2005, 05:04 PM)
And three seems to be a very common number within Lusternia. Three guilds per city, three communes, three guilds per commune, three avatars for Moon and Night...
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Three is a number associated with many things including stability, strength, power, etc.
Erion2005-04-18 21:17:17
See, I'm only recently getting into the more euro-mythology, I've always clung to the mediterranean and egyptian. The concept of the Triple Goddess is relatively new to me.
The way it's SEEMED to me is there isn't a SINGLE Triple Goddess - I've heard Morrigan and Brigid both refered to as a/the Triple Goddess.
But, obviously, I am confused.
The way it's SEEMED to me is there isn't a SINGLE Triple Goddess - I've heard Morrigan and Brigid both refered to as a/the Triple Goddess.
But, obviously, I am confused.
Narsrim2005-04-18 21:19:47
QUOTE(Erion @ Apr 18 2005, 05:17 PM)
See, I'm only recently getting into the more euro-mythology, I've always clung to the mediterranean and egyptian. The concept of the Triple Goddess is relatively new to me.
The way it's SEEMED to me is there isn't a SINGLE Triple Goddess - I've heard Morrigan and Brigid both refered to as a/the Triple Goddess.
But, obviously, I am confused.
The way it's SEEMED to me is there isn't a SINGLE Triple Goddess - I've heard Morrigan and Brigid both refered to as a/the Triple Goddess.
But, obviously, I am confused.
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Considering that Wicca is an actual religion that is practiced and even recognzied by the US government (I don't know if that says too much but meh), it is rather rude to call a core aspect of Wicca "euro-mythology."
I doubt too many Christians would be happy if someone called Moses, "Hebrew Mythology," etc.
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Furthermore, some people might go so far to call the Morrigan a "Triple Goddess" but only in the light that she is composed of the three aspects of "The Triple Goddess." In context, you could call the Morrigan "a Goddess" but not "the Goddess."
Daganev2005-04-18 21:21:32
Just remember, 3 is the number that represents stability. 3 paragraphs to a basic essay, politicans always have 3 points in a speach, 3 sides to the smallest polygon, etc etc.
3 is all over the place, but its also very important to wiccaness.
As far as I understand, the Moon is just another example of the Tripple Goddess, not 'The Tripple goddess' Everything is in laws of three.
3 is all over the place, but its also very important to wiccaness.
As far as I understand, the Moon is just another example of the Tripple Goddess, not 'The Tripple goddess' Everything is in laws of three.
Narsrim2005-04-18 21:22:56
QUOTE(daganev @ Apr 18 2005, 05:21 PM)
As far as I understand, the Moon is just another example of the Tripple Goddess, not 'The Tripple goddess'Â Everything is in laws of three.
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I'm sure it varies between various sects of Wicca but most do consider the Moon to be associated with "The Triple Goddess." In fact, the Mother, Maiden, and Crone each represent a specific phase of the Moon... which is why.
Faethan2005-04-18 21:25:13
The use of the term mythology is not a judgement of truth/falsehood. It is related to the definition of myth as "A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society" -not- the definition as a misconception or false story.
Daganev2005-04-18 21:26:26
But there are a lot more than just 3 moon phases, and I don't think people in the olden days would have been oblivious to that.
Being from a moon (and sun) culture myself, I can safely say that when such things are simplified it is because they are teaching a concept or refrencing a concept, not that the simplification is the concept itself. If that makes any sense.
Being from a moon (and sun) culture myself, I can safely say that when such things are simplified it is because they are teaching a concept or refrencing a concept, not that the simplification is the concept itself. If that makes any sense.
Akraasiel2005-04-18 21:26:35
Dana (referred to as the Mother of the Tuatha) was the chief goddess of the mythology, though the Morrigan is either one of her aspects, or equal to her, or Dana herself, in a different form. At least what we can glean from texts on the matter.