Sex/gender orientation and the Lusternian playerba

by Akraasiel

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Narsrim2005-04-18 21:31:48
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Apr 18 2005, 05:28 PM)
Odd, Narsrim.  From all that I here, you're best suited to TAKING punishment.  halo.gif
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Oh, my dear - I have more than one specialty.
Unknown2005-04-18 21:59:58
Has this... trend continued through the ages, or is it just starting to appear in modern times? Is it developed socially or does it stay (inherent) in our build-ups (or genetic, but most people argue against that)? What's the difference between sexual preference and sexual orientation?

Signed, Curious.
Nyla2005-04-18 22:00:42
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Apr 18 2005, 04:31 PM)
Oh, my dear - I have more than one specialty.
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He is a scary scary fellow..... Our brotherly coversations are hilarious... they freak Munsia out... halo.gif
Shiri2005-04-18 22:02:43
There's way way way too much debate on whether it's social or fixed (nature or nurture, the arguments are said to be about) to get started on it here, probably.
Akraasiel2005-04-18 22:03:16
QUOTE(nyla @ Apr 18 2005, 06:00 PM)
He is a scary scary fellow..... Our brotherly coversations are hilarious... they freak Munsia out... halo.gif
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ummm blink.gif
Faethan2005-04-18 22:04:29
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 18 2005, 06:02 PM)
There's way way way too much debate on whether it's social or fixed (nature or nurture, the arguments are said to be about) to get started on it here, probably.
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From what I've heard, it's a combination of both.
Shiri2005-04-18 22:06:48
I dunno. From what -I- understood it varies from person to person.

But I don't know how much sense that makes. I'm not sure why it's important anyway, but whatev. biggrin.gif
Erion2005-04-18 23:05:54
I tend to believe it's social. Or "nurture", if you want to call it that. I feel, like everything else, it's a preference. We learn to like certain things. S&M isn't genetic, bondage isn't genetic, why the hell should any other kind of sexual preference be genetic?

Shrug. But that's just me. I view the attempts to find genetic basis for sexuality to be rediculous - people trying to justify something that doesn't need to be justified.

But, I honestly don't care either way. They can tell me it's genetic, it's social, or some sort of mental disease. It's still what I enjot. smile.gif
Unknown2005-04-18 23:15:58
QUOTE(Shou @ Apr 19 2005, 08:59 AM)
Has this... trend continued through the ages, or is it just starting to appear in modern times?  Is it developed socially or does it stay (inherent) in our build-ups (or genetic, but most people argue against that)? What's the difference between sexual preference and sexual orientation?

Signed, Curious.
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Varying sexuality goes back into history. The Spartans, for example, are a well known example of a militaristic society that basically encouraged mentor-student homosexual relations (among other things)...(I think it was Sparta, I can't remember).
Shiri2005-04-18 23:20:45
QUOTE(Erion @ Apr 19 2005, 12:05 AM)
I tend to believe it's social.  Or "nurture", if you want to call it that.  I feel, like everything else, it's a preference.  We learn to like certain things.  S&M isn't genetic, bondage isn't genetic, why the hell should any other kind of sexual preference be genetic?

Shrug.  But that's just me.  I view the attempts to find genetic basis for sexuality to be rediculous - people trying to justify something that doesn't need to be justified.

But, I honestly don't care either way.  They can tell me it's genetic, it's social, or some sort of mental disease.  It's still what I enjot. smile.gif
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I don't think it's about "justified." It's just a curiosity about the cause of it. It's just another part of sociology, only for this there appears to be some amount of evidence it's built-in. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that orientation is cultural, to be honest, because it just seems inconsistent with a couple things I personally find about the subject.

That said, I don't know enough about it to say I have the answer, and as I say it doesn't actually MATTER, so whatever, right?
Daganev2005-04-18 23:28:48
According to my basic psycology taken at University of Socialism, all charachter traits that have allready been proven to have genetic bases to them, show that only 50% of those who have the trait will actively express it. Or something like that.

Meaning... any genetic quality you have will be affected upon by your society to either express itself or not. While maybe 10% of Greek nobles might have been born with an urge to play with little boys, 90% of them did it anyway.
Erion2005-04-18 23:35:46
I don't think it's cultural. I think it's just how your thought process, desires, and opinions are formed. As was pointed out, the entire Spartan army (which was essentially every male from the age of, what, 10 and up?) was gay. That's not genetic.
Daganev2005-04-18 23:37:40
but that is Social.

Just like every frat boy enjoys a good hazing tongue.gif
Raezon2005-04-19 00:22:43
Enjoys a hazing? Whatever, I did away with such nonsense, flipped the script, and hazed them instead of the other way around... it's all about originality... enjoyment pssh.

As for an earlier comment, yeah I don't think you'd want to classify Lusternia as an average selection of society's norms. Ultimately while games of this nature have a broad appeal, it's going to attract certain people more so than others.
Shiri2005-04-19 00:28:41
Why would this MUD be more attractive to gay/transgender/whatever people than Achaea, say, though?

I think it's just because it's a small sample, rather than because Lusternia's abnormal.
Daganev2005-04-19 00:36:32
This game would attract more who might have an intrest in wiccan type things, and thus attract more people who are generally a subset of general culture.
Erion2005-04-19 00:38:36
Eh. I won't say homosexuals are more intelligent or anything... halo.gif
Narsrim2005-04-19 01:06:50
I was reading a genetic article earlier where they have discovered a series of genes that are believed to make a person more probable to being a homosexual. However, the ongoing accept psychological standard is that homosexuality is a unique combination of social/environmental and genetic factors that in various combinations contribute to "what makes a person straight or gay."

And like I said earlier, sexuality is believed to exist on a spectrum so these factors would determine more-or-less where you initially fall and perhaps how you move and orient through this spectrum.
Llexyn2005-04-19 01:31:13
Ok, is this poll for IC or OOC?

If it's OOC, I'd pick lesbian all the way.
If it's IC, well ... Llexyn's a straight married with kids woman however she totally loves to mess with the female minds and flirt and maybe pet around but she'd never -do- anything with anyone. Heh, she doesn't even -do- anything with her husband ... I know, how'd they get kids then, right? :blank:
Narsrim2005-04-19 01:33:24
QUOTE(Llexyn @ Apr 18 2005, 09:31 PM)
Ok, is this poll for IC or OOC?

If it's OOC, I'd pick lesbian all the way.
If it's IC, well ... Llexyn's a straight married with kids woman however she totally loves to mess with the female minds and flirt and maybe pet around but she'd never -do- anything with anyone. Heh, she doesn't even -do- anything with her husband ... I know, how'd they get kids then, right? :blank:
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Duh, Llexyn = evil Virgin Mary.