Amaru2005-04-20 16:20:14
I wasn't baptised, my parents wanted to give me a clean slate and decide my own faith and future. My parents were Catholic. I went to a Catholic school from 7-16 and strangely the opposite to Manjanaia's example happened to me, GCSE RS (A*, oh yeah) in combination with the tradition and beliefs of others at the school led me to get baptised at the age of 11, and confirmed. I practise to this day, and my parents are doubly happy that not only have I chosen my own faith (instead of them forcing it upon me, it was my choice which school I went to anyway) and believe firmly in it, but can argue and debate about why I believe in it also, as opposed to 'because it's my religion'.
If/when I have kids, I won't be baptising them at birth.
/hijack.
If/when I have kids, I won't be baptising them at birth.
/hijack.
Manjanaia2005-04-20 16:34:23
You're lucky. I would have wanted that if I had the choice.
Daganev2005-04-20 16:35:32
QUOTE(Seraphi @ Apr 20 2005, 03:44 AM)
Can you say Eggs Benedict?
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That didn't accur to me, but when I first saw his picture I did notice he is indeed a red coat.
Thule2005-04-20 17:39:52
QUOTE(Manjanaia @ Apr 20 2005, 12:03 PM)
I believe he was in the Army but was discharged.
You said don't be Catholic, Thule, but for me it wasn't that simple. I was placed into a Catholic primary school and went to a Catholic church through my childhood, and was forcefed the beliefs etc. So I took Holy Communion and was Confirmed. It is only now that I am actually able to look into the beliefs with a mind mature enough to make a decision on it. And I can't help but feel those ideals are wrong. It is only now that I am leaning away from RCC and deciding that is isn't the religion for me. Blame GCSE RS. It is ironic really. I go to a Catholic school and the point of the lessons on Catholicism is to affirm my belief, but it has done the complete opposite.
My point is Thule, that I may not want to be Catholic, but I am entitled to my opinion. That is all it was, my opinion. I wouldn't dare tell 1 billion people that their beliefs -are- not right, I just think it.
You said don't be Catholic, Thule, but for me it wasn't that simple. I was placed into a Catholic primary school and went to a Catholic church through my childhood, and was forcefed the beliefs etc. So I took Holy Communion and was Confirmed. It is only now that I am actually able to look into the beliefs with a mind mature enough to make a decision on it. And I can't help but feel those ideals are wrong. It is only now that I am leaning away from RCC and deciding that is isn't the religion for me. Blame GCSE RS. It is ironic really. I go to a Catholic school and the point of the lessons on Catholicism is to affirm my belief, but it has done the complete opposite.
My point is Thule, that I may not want to be Catholic, but I am entitled to my opinion. That is all it was, my opinion. I wouldn't dare tell 1 billion people that their beliefs -are- not right, I just think it.
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Of course you are entitled to your opinion, it just seems that so many people bash the RCC over things they really have no control over. I have a friend that is a Priest in the Old Catholic Church, quite abit different. They allow marriage, contraception, etc, yet are still quite conservative overall.
Daganev2005-04-20 17:44:49
The RCC is the only group of Christians that I know about that voccally complain about 'Cafeteria Christianity' oh, and I guess Mormons also. To me that says a lot, even if the Pope does wear a Kippah.
Thule2005-04-20 18:08:38
QUOTE(daganev @ Apr 20 2005, 01:44 PM)
The RCC is the only group of Christians that I know about that voccally complain about 'Cafeteria Christianity' oh, and I guess Mormons also. To me that says a lot, even if the Pope does wear a Kippah.
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Non-demons complain about too, although they are probably the most guilty of it.
Daganev2005-04-20 18:13:42
isn't non-demons the definition of 'cafteria Christianity'?
Thule2005-04-20 18:21:41
QUOTE(daganev @ Apr 20 2005, 02:13 PM)
isn't non-demons the definition of 'cafteria Christianity'?
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Pretty much yeah. But you would still be amazed...
Iridiel2005-04-21 11:49:37
I think the Church has changed important points of their beliefs when it was necessary and common sense. Including that people whose skin isn't white do have a soul anyway and are human beings.
Also, to a priest of the 12 century, to see a city full of people not married and living together and kissing each other on the streets would make him die or send us all to hell. Currently, I think that kind of priests are a minority (thanks god/goddess/godit?) and they're much more diplomatic about frowning and condemning everything.
why? Because they know they must advance with the times, even if it's slow, so fear of losing all contact point with their followers (I mean, if the Church was saying that opening a human body for cirurgy was sinful, how many catolics would support that?)
Female ordenation, homosexuality, abortion, all those things will be dealt in time, or people will just mostly ignore what the church says about it, until the church comes in tune with modern world or people decide to believe in God and forget the Church, wich is a frequent option nowadays.
Personally, if somebody tells me that I should stay at home, marry, have babys and never divorce even if my husband beats me... Well, I would laugh a lot. And think that that somebody isn't thinking clearly.
Also, to a priest of the 12 century, to see a city full of people not married and living together and kissing each other on the streets would make him die or send us all to hell. Currently, I think that kind of priests are a minority (thanks god/goddess/godit?) and they're much more diplomatic about frowning and condemning everything.
why? Because they know they must advance with the times, even if it's slow, so fear of losing all contact point with their followers (I mean, if the Church was saying that opening a human body for cirurgy was sinful, how many catolics would support that?)
Female ordenation, homosexuality, abortion, all those things will be dealt in time, or people will just mostly ignore what the church says about it, until the church comes in tune with modern world or people decide to believe in God and forget the Church, wich is a frequent option nowadays.
Personally, if somebody tells me that I should stay at home, marry, have babys and never divorce even if my husband beats me... Well, I would laugh a lot. And think that that somebody isn't thinking clearly.
Summer2005-04-21 18:03:47
But you can't divorce if you want to remain a Catholic I thought?
Thule2005-04-21 18:11:26
QUOTE(Summer @ Apr 21 2005, 02:03 PM)
But you can't divorce if you want to remain a Catholic I thought?
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Well the church frowns on it, but I know plenty of divorced catholics, they just keep it hush I think.
Amaru2005-04-21 21:45:30
You can divorce legally but the Church doesn't recognise it. You can get the marriage annulled, but that's a long story.
Shiri2005-04-22 05:14:29
Pardon me if my history teacher has misinformed me, but isn't the annullment of marriages rather like "it didn't exist in the first place"? How does that work legally, or does it have no legal effect and the Catholics just have it like that because it's traditional?
Thule2005-04-22 12:19:30
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 22 2005, 01:14 AM)
Pardon me if my history teacher has misinformed me, but isn't the annullment of marriages rather like "it didn't exist in the first place"? How does that work legally, or does it have no legal effect and the Catholics just have it like that because it's traditional?
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An annulment basically says the marriage is void as contrasted with divorce which says the marriage has ended. There are many grounds for annulment and you usually can't get one legally after a certain amount of time. Grounds for annulment include among other things, refusing to consumate the marriage, mental state of one of the partners, deceit, being coerced into marriage, and others I can't recall.
Unknown2005-04-22 14:04:28
At least you aren't anglican, I was christened and raised anglican, we have to put up with concepts like...well we agree that we can ordane openly gay bishops BUT when we did it, the african anglicans freaked so we stopped and said (in a pythonesque way) "Well lets say that we have the right to appoint gay bishops, but through no fault of our own we won't do it." That is the CofEs biggest problem they are scared of offending anybody.
and just because I can....
and just because I can....
QUOTE
Then Henry VIII came along, Henry VIII, a big hairy king, ummm, and uhh, he said to the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, “Mr. Pope! I’m going to marry my first wife, and then I’m going to divorce her. Now, I know what you’re going to say but stick with me - my story gets better. I’m going to marry my second wife and then I’m gong to kill her - cut her head off! Ahhhh, not expecting that, are ya? Hahaha! Third wife, gonna shoot her. Fourth wife, put her into a bag. Fifth wife, into outer space. Sixth wife, on a Rotissimat. Seventh wife, made out of jam. Eighth wife - hoooa, hooo - †And the Pope’s going, “You crazy bugger! You can’t do all this! What are you, a Mormon? You can’t marry all these people! It’s illegal! You can’t do all thi - I am the Pope, I am the head of the church, I have to keep up st - ciao… I have to be respect… What have you been reading, the gospel according to St. Bastard?†So Henry VIII, who was, uh, Sean Connery for this film: “Well then, I will shet up a new religion in thish country. I will sh - I will shet up - the - g - uh - the, uh, religion - the Pshychotic Bashtard religion.†And an advisor said, “Why not call it Church of England, shall we?†“Ch - Church of England!†“Yes sir, much better.†“Even though I am Shcottish myshelf.â€
So they did! That’s the birth of Church of England, the birth of the Anglican Church! Disgusting, eh? That’s no basis to start a religion on! Nothing to do with the Protestant church - I mean, He - H - Henry just shagged and killed a lot of women and then stole all the money off the monasteries. You know. Rape - pillage, rape and pillage, that is.
The Protestant faith was different. That started, umm, uh, well, probably around a similar time, but that was about Martin Luther, this German guy who pinned a note on a church door saying, †‘ang on a minute.†But in German, so, “Ein Minuten, bitte. Ich habe einen kleinen Problemo avect dieser Religionay.†He was from everywhere. So yeah. So, and, uh, so the Protestant faith was sort of tacked, you know, on by Queen Elizabeth I a bit later. “…Oh, principles! Thank God! We’ve got some principles.â€
Nowadays, Church of England is much more, “Hello, how are you.†Much more a hobby-type… “Hello.†A lot of people in Church of England have no muscles in their arms. “Hello, yes… Ha ha ha, yes, that’s what I thought. Ha ha. Do - do come in, you’re the only one today. Now the sermon today is taken from a magazine I found - that I found in a hedge. Now, uh, lipstick colors this, uh, season are in the, uh, frosted pink area and, uh, nail colors to match. And, uh, this reminds me rather of our Lord Jesus! Because surely, when Jesus went into Nazareth on a donkey, he must have got tarted up a bit. We will now sing four - hymn 405, “Oh God, What on Earth is, uh, is My Hairdo All About?†“Oh God, what on earth is my hai-airdo…â€
So they did! That’s the birth of Church of England, the birth of the Anglican Church! Disgusting, eh? That’s no basis to start a religion on! Nothing to do with the Protestant church - I mean, He - H - Henry just shagged and killed a lot of women and then stole all the money off the monasteries. You know. Rape - pillage, rape and pillage, that is.
The Protestant faith was different. That started, umm, uh, well, probably around a similar time, but that was about Martin Luther, this German guy who pinned a note on a church door saying, †‘ang on a minute.†But in German, so, “Ein Minuten, bitte. Ich habe einen kleinen Problemo avect dieser Religionay.†He was from everywhere. So yeah. So, and, uh, so the Protestant faith was sort of tacked, you know, on by Queen Elizabeth I a bit later. “…Oh, principles! Thank God! We’ve got some principles.â€
Nowadays, Church of England is much more, “Hello, how are you.†Much more a hobby-type… “Hello.†A lot of people in Church of England have no muscles in their arms. “Hello, yes… Ha ha ha, yes, that’s what I thought. Ha ha. Do - do come in, you’re the only one today. Now the sermon today is taken from a magazine I found - that I found in a hedge. Now, uh, lipstick colors this, uh, season are in the, uh, frosted pink area and, uh, nail colors to match. And, uh, this reminds me rather of our Lord Jesus! Because surely, when Jesus went into Nazareth on a donkey, he must have got tarted up a bit. We will now sing four - hymn 405, “Oh God, What on Earth is, uh, is My Hairdo All About?†“Oh God, what on earth is my hai-airdo…â€
Asmoth2005-04-24 15:21:16
Woah, Religious people... I feel like I'm at the zoo
Thule2005-04-25 12:34:32
QUOTE(Asmoth @ Apr 24 2005, 11:21 AM)
Woah, Religious people... I feel like I'm at the zoo
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Everyone is religious about something, just look at Green Bay fans....
