Hell, let's not fight at all.

Amen to that.

P.S.- I'll gladly take those poisons and equipments off your hands if you become a pacifist, Ceres.

But what use would you have for them?

I like to keep myself stocked up in case I get jumped off planes by idiots.

But!

You're supposed to run away when people attack you!

The truth of the matter is blackout had nothing to do with her lose. She saw the chasm coming before blackout hit. Even if blackout were not there, she still would have performed the same initial action and then would have been hit by the stun in his demesne when trying to escape. Therefore, taking blackout away would not have saved her life, when her first act doomed her.

Chasm has always been one of the best if not the best insta-kill in the game. If a person can correctly line up his or her demesne effects, set up stone walls, and rubble the area around himself or herself, he or she can work to time chasm in a way that it makes it nearly impossible for the average warrior to escape it. If he add in the ability to obscure the beginning of his actions with blackout, the geomancer could probably even take out a guardian or mage who knows how and has the correct abilities to stop chasm. Last, always remember that hunger makes time work on the side of a geomancer. Throw in the Ur rune, and things could get nasty real fast.

Why are we measuring up Kaervas' fighting ability and the demesne's ability when it's used against someone who can't fight well at all against people of Kaervas' calibur?

In any case, she had plenty of time to tumble out, and you can't blame blackout for her mistake. Also, Ceres is a paladin? Can't paladins fly? Or is that only Celestines? Secondly, you do not just port into a mage's demesne and attack right away. That's stupid unless you know you can down the mage quickly.

1. Paladins cannot fly. Especially not with no levitation due to lodestone, and stonerain going on.

2. "Don't fight him in his demesne" is not a valid argument. We've been through this.

Going to somewhat agree with Revan on this one, actually.

Ceres teleported to Kaervas, knowing it was his demesne. If you are going into someone's demesne, don't attack first.

Also false. Love potion would have rendered the demesne ineffective against you, forcing him to spend precious equilibrium rejecting you and re-enemying you. Never ever ever downplay the effectiveness of a love potion against a mage. Ever.

Love potion creates lust every... 15 seconds? 30 seconds? Not relevant to this example really.

Something else to add to Amaru's comment, love potion is a double-edged sword, it will lust you to your opponent and vice versa. So relying on love potion to save you from fighting a Mage's demesne is tactically unsound. On top of the fact that any good Mages will never keep you lusted for more than 10 seconds, I highly doubt that even if Ceres had love up she would had been able to do much once chasm was already going.

Meh, it's still annoying having to reject and enemy every so often. Think of it as rebounding for mages. In any case, as you say, it's not prevelant to this log. What is prevelant is that it shows Ceres cannot fight worth a crap.

Hang on, lusting yourself to a Geomancer isn't harmful, so it's not a double-edged sword in the slightest. They can't do empress tarot, and it's not like lover's effect where you can't hit back.

Not true if you have passive effects or room based spells as well, such as Contagion or Ectoplasm for example.

True, it is not like the warrior has to reject the mage. Anyhow, lust would have been too iffy on when it hits to save her. Lust does not even stop a person from attacking, so Kaervas could have still continued the chasm even if lusted. Depending on the point in time lust could have hit her; it may not have mattered anyway. (I.e. lust hitting after the effects hit). It is not like she could control when lust cycled around.

* Also Terenas, if using lust was tactically unsound, why do you use it so much against me? In this situation it probably would not help her at all, but under normal situations it helps against a mage plenty.

Perhaps contagion, but ectoplasm is a directed attack from what I can tell. They do not need to have you enemied for it to work. Also, I would accept contagion not working in order to allow myself to continue my other attacks without interruptions.

It is annoying.. a lot of basic abilities like trample rely on your enemy list.

Yes you do, this was changed after declare system went into effect. Murphy had used it multiple times without effects because he forgot to enemy me.



That was from my spar against Daevos, he didn't enemy me or had me lusted so his ectoplasm never got me. This has happened many times when I had fought Ur'guards.



Because I have no passive effects or skills that require enemying.

-Edited: Ectoplasm, not Contagion

I said contagion yes, I also said ectoplasm no. Last time I remember, ectoplasm does not need them to have you enemied to use it. It is a single target attack.