Unknown2005-04-23 19:50:39
Wow I take a nap for a few hours only to awaken to this at 3 am...
Once again, not whining here, I'm still my same old wicked faeling self that rocks. I still rock as much as I did 2 days ago, not a problem.
It's cool we got new Rp,-really- it is, I am glad for it. I can see Ialie's fear of being one of the only true Original Seren Faelings though, (along with me, I'm not even making Glom alt) so that new Rp would be really hard to push with all of us...4 Original Faelings rising up to fight the infidels.
Oh and Murphy, yes that would work just fine! Thanks
Once again, not whining here, I'm still my same old wicked faeling self that rocks. I still rock as much as I did 2 days ago, not a problem.
It's cool we got new Rp,-really- it is, I am glad for it. I can see Ialie's fear of being one of the only true Original Seren Faelings though, (along with me, I'm not even making Glom alt) so that new Rp would be really hard to push with all of us...4 Original Faelings rising up to fight the infidels.
Oh and Murphy, yes that would work just fine! Thanks
Unknown2005-04-23 19:52:27
Edit *Coughs* I just got off work, forgive me. I was curious about something else, since Faeling became the race specialization for Glomdoring. If Gaudiguch is released from time, and made into a player city. Would the Dracnari be the race specialization for it and would they recieve any upgrades for the knight and guardian/mage classes?
Unknown2005-04-23 19:56:04
Could you imagine th warrior dracnari! WOW...
Laysus2005-04-23 19:57:22
QUOTE(Jadryga @ Apr 23 2005, 07:37 PM)
Thing is, Shiri, I think you're talking from a combat point of view. RP wise there is no better or worse faeling, they're as they were meant to be. Small, fragile, disgustingly agile and nimble.
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The only time you can describe their nimbleness as "disgusting" is when you're playing as one :/
Sylphas2005-04-23 19:58:56
Even stanced, I never once dodged when I tested my 18 dex.
Olan2005-04-23 21:13:40
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Apr 23 2005, 12:58 PM)
Even stanced, I never once dodged when I tested my 18 dex.
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I dodge a fair amount with aslaran dex. Certainly more now then when I was a tae'dae. How high is your combat skill?
Sylphas2005-04-23 21:24:19
WeaponParry. Still, 18 dex should have dodged at least once.
Unknown2005-04-23 21:26:13
I never dodged much as a Faeling, but then I never had much combat. I haven't the money to whore out THAT many credits, although I'll do so slowly over time. Faeling's are turning out to be very cool. All right, I'd rather they been a 'nice' specialisation as well, but this is a chance to play evil Faeling... I like that. This is something different and I'll enjoy it. The magic-based specialisation is not amazing. Extra int is nice, con is kinda necessary. They could have been better, since they're useless as Wiccans. I will play one for the fun of it. Shadowlords... very very tempting. I like the idea.
Shorlen2005-04-23 22:04:14
Yeah, if I could stomach playing a tainted character, and if I wasn't so busy in the Seren, I'd so try a Shadowlord Faeling -grins- In other words, if I had just joined the game, I would quite enjoy the race/class, but I so much perfer kinder idealologies than what the Ebonguard will probably expouse.
Elryn2005-04-24 00:30:44
Thankyou for responding, Roark.
Unknown2005-04-24 00:55:46
Ialie won't be the only true faeling left in Serenwilde.
Unknown2005-04-24 00:57:58
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Ialie won't be the only true faeling left in Serenwilde.Â
So you and me, Ialie and Elryn, anyone else?
Singollo2005-04-24 01:38:54
QUOTE(roark @ Apr 23 2005, 02:51 PM)
The level 3 balance was not intended for the Shadowlords. I suggested it in reference to them, but Estarra told me that Faelings were always supposed to have it since the beginning. That is why faelings in general got it rather than (what I suggested) just the shadowlord faelings.
City and commune races are not exclusive to their land. A faeling outside of Glomdoring is just as good now as he was a month ago. If there ever was a tae'dae commune to open (which could also have been the race for Glomdoring; it had to be a nature-oriented race since Glomd oring is based on nature magics) then existing tae'dae would still be just as good in their respective guilds as before. So from game mechanics, there is not really a change. If you chose a race before Glomdoring because you wanted the commune bonus then you should have chosen elfen, merian, or viscanti, not tae'dae, faeling, etc.
The only real thing I can see here causing controversy is players who think that their race's existing position should be left untouched or those who think that a race only deserves to exist in its specialized city, thus "downgrading" the value of being a Seren faeling. The first controversy is unavoidable and will probably happen when the next commune opens or new cities open (other than the obvious Hallifax and Gaudiguch). Had we chosen furrikin or tae'dae, or even mugwump naturalists (Glomdoring can be swampy), etc., all of which were viable choices, some members of those races would be annoyed while some happy. Indeed, even giving elfen multiple commune specializations between the two would be controversial for those elfen players that think elfen should be a pure noble race, and are traitors to the realm for enslaving the fae, and for non-elfen that say it's unfair for elfen to have two specizialized locations. As for diminishing faeling value in Serenwilde, note that if we open a furrikin commune or a tae'dae commune then they will still be just as at home in Serenwilde and Glomdoring if that's where they currently are. The best place of value should be determined by your character's worldview. If you are a faeling who loves nature but hates evil then Serenwilde is still the best place for you. Similarly, if you are an elfen who wishes to enslave nature and rule the world with an iron fist, Glomdoring is the best place for you.
City and commune races are not exclusive to their land. A faeling outside of Glomdoring is just as good now as he was a month ago. If there ever was a tae'dae commune to open (which could also have been the race for Glomdoring; it had to be a nature-oriented race since Glomd oring is based on nature magics) then existing tae'dae would still be just as good in their respective guilds as before. So from game mechanics, there is not really a change. If you chose a race before Glomdoring because you wanted the commune bonus then you should have chosen elfen, merian, or viscanti, not tae'dae, faeling, etc.
The only real thing I can see here causing controversy is players who think that their race's existing position should be left untouched or those who think that a race only deserves to exist in its specialized city, thus "downgrading" the value of being a Seren faeling. The first controversy is unavoidable and will probably happen when the next commune opens or new cities open (other than the obvious Hallifax and Gaudiguch). Had we chosen furrikin or tae'dae, or even mugwump naturalists (Glomdoring can be swampy), etc., all of which were viable choices, some members of those races would be annoyed while some happy. Indeed, even giving elfen multiple commune specializations between the two would be controversial for those elfen players that think elfen should be a pure noble race, and are traitors to the realm for enslaving the fae, and for non-elfen that say it's unfair for elfen to have two specizialized locations. As for diminishing faeling value in Serenwilde, note that if we open a furrikin commune or a tae'dae commune then they will still be just as at home in Serenwilde and Glomdoring if that's where they currently are. The best place of value should be determined by your character's worldview. If you are a faeling who loves nature but hates evil then Serenwilde is still the best place for you. Similarly, if you are an elfen who wishes to enslave nature and rule the world with an iron fist, Glomdoring is the best place for you.
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How about racial balancing. You guys seem to always miss that when thinking up controversies. There are so many inferior races right now, and so many subpar races compared to others. That's the controversy. In one fell swoop you made Elfen Lords even more subpar as a warrior choice, and completely obsoleted Aslarans.
You have extreme balance issues right now with the races.
Rhysus2005-04-24 01:41:57
QUOTE(Singollo @ Apr 23 2005, 08:38 PM)
How about racial balancing. You guys seem to always miss that when thinking up controversies. There are so many inferior races right now, and so many subpar races compared to others. That's the controversy. In one fell swoop you made Elfen Lords even more subpar as a warrior choice, and completely obsoleted Aslarans.
You have extreme balance issues right now with the races.
You have extreme balance issues right now with the races.
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...It's an intentional misbalance. There is no issue. The specialized choices are meant to be more powerful than the unspecialized choices. Over time, other races will gain specializations and be brought on par. Minor concerns might currently exist, but "extreme balance issues" is just inaccurate.
Singollo2005-04-24 01:48:52
QUOTE(Rhysus @ Apr 23 2005, 09:41 PM)
...It's an intentional misbalance. There is no issue. The specialized choices are meant to be more powerful than the unspecialized choices. Over time, other races will gain specializations and be brought on par. Minor concerns might currently exist, but "extreme balance issues" is just inaccurate.
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Some of the specialized races are far inferior than others. Are you saying this is intentional? Hell Elfen Lord is arguably worse than Dracnari and even regular Elfen. This isn't minor, and in fact is a big reason why Serenguards struggle.
You can't have severe imbalances with city races vs non city races. What should be happening is those non city races should at least be functional, while less functional than the specialized race. Right now some of those races are just abysmal.
Unknown2005-04-24 02:37:28
QUOTE(Elryn @ Apr 23 2005, 05:12 AM)
No, Faelings are now encouraged to go to Glomdoring or remain substandard.
They will become most common in the one place they should be most scarce in.
They will become most common in the one place they should be most scarce in.
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This is amazing, I never knew Elryn was Lusternia's main writer. You learn something new every day eh?
Elryn2005-04-24 03:17:54
Why am I Lusternia's main writer?
Shiri2005-04-24 03:23:23
The implication being that you don't know better than (him) about the histories et al..
It's sarcastic.
It's sarcastic.
Tehn2005-04-24 03:25:13
I kind of like the idea of having every commune associated with a single race. It gives each race a distinct and specific home. I'm not sure exactly how much was planned prior to the release of Glomdoring, and maybe it was an oversight, but if they made a rew race everytime a new commune came out and masses of people reincarnated into that race insted of having an existing race become specialized in a specific way...things would just be odd. "Wow, a newly discovered race noone ever knew existed...I think I'll take my 40 year old self, in existance for quite awhile, and turn myself into this race, as that TOTALLY makes sense."
In any case, they didn't do ANYTHING to normal Faelings. They are the same. more races will experience these same feelings and concerns in future communes. Things change, roll with the punches?
In any case, they didn't do ANYTHING to normal Faelings. They are the same. more races will experience these same feelings and concerns in future communes. Things change, roll with the punches?
Elryn2005-04-24 03:29:02
Aye, theres nothing we can do now. Once a change like that is in, there's no going back.
Could we please keep trying to balance Faelings in combat, however? Whether it is by means of increased effectiveness of dex, or a racial dodge-based ability, or whatever?
Could we please keep trying to balance Faelings in combat, however? Whether it is by means of increased effectiveness of dex, or a racial dodge-based ability, or whatever?