I wonder how much is deviaton and how much is wishfull thinking, or just not looking at the whole story. When I read the histories my first thought was .. Woot! a Forest that understands there is more to life than growth and uses nature as a tool to those ends instead of some unanatural thing doing it.

To me, the histories set us up to envision a real life Forest Commune that is dark and scary and not pleasant to the unintiatied.

Glomdoring was anticipated, yes.

Faelings getting screwed into the bargain wasn't.

How did faelings get screwed?

Either A. Your not a member of glomdoring and thus faelings are just like they were in the begining save a faster balance recovery. or B. You are a member of glomdoring and faeling are awesome.

You can't tell me you picked a faeling assuming they were going to get upgraded....

1. The balance recovery was already meant to be there, so you can't really count that.
2. We're talking about non-Glomdoring Faelings, so.

Why can I not tell you that? I picked a Furrikin for the RP, but didn't expect them to be as bad as they are in combat, either. So it seems logical to say they need upgrades.

Because there is never any certainty that the race you pick will be upgraded. You kind of have to assume it won't be upgraded unless there is a major problem or change. In this case, that major change was Glomdoring.

Its just like picking a elfen in Celest or a Merian in Serenwilde... its a pretty crappy choice.

No, it isn't at all like picking an Elfen in Celest, because it clearly said on the racial stats at the time that Elfen were meant for Serenwilde.

And no, you can't just assume that things aren't MEANT to be poor. What kind of outlook is that? If that were the case, everyone would just have to assume that mages are MEANT to be overpowered, and demesnes are MEANT to be awesome in team combat, and all the rest of it. Things don't work that way.

I'm talking about the process of picking your race, not living in the world for a few months and noticing there are problems.

It would be like picking the Magic skillset and then complaining when it didn't make your staff last more months.

Not the case.

There are things such as the effect of dexterity and constitution on combat that make a lot more difference than you might think.

For example, dexterity in other IRE games had a huge effect on how much knights were able to hit you for.

Here, it does very little. So while a Furrikin or Faeling might do well statistics-wise in other games, where you're used to, here they're a lot worse. There are other such examples.

Heck, even people that picked Furrikin or Faeling for influence (which seems the logical choice) when they could have gone Mugwump or Merian were messed up.

And how are any of those fact changed because faeling have a glomdoring specailization?

Dude, you just replied to a point, when I responded to it, made a new one, and then when I replied to that, you forgot the first one.

The reason this makes a difference is because while in general Faelings are underpowered, and had no reason to expect to remain so, the Glomdoring coming out means that Faelings that DON'T want to lose like 20+% of the lessons they spent, as well as all their RP, are left having picked an inferior race, which they had no reason to expect.

Yeah so now I should complain about them introducing dreamweaving because I dont want to lose the lessons I spent on runes

Different scenario entirely.
Runes weren't sucky before, and if they were, you would have been requesting upgrades, not a new skillset entirely, and that would have been justified.

Nor does it cost you huge portions of your RP to switch to dreamweaving from runes.

Shiri, are you STILL going on about this? Things change. That's the way of everything. At one time or another, any given thing will go through a change. Your being a Faeling was never changed. You are still Faeling, you are the Faeling you expected to be. Your class was not MADE WORSE. It was given a specialization. It was GIVEN a specialization. It was made moderately better for some, so what? Did anyone specificly make you a worse person, a worse character, or a worse combatant for it? NO THEY DIDN'T. They simply made certain other people better. Now, you might not have known it was coming but so what? It STILL didn't make you worse. You are the SAME. Ok? I'm sure some people will be slightly upset when their race becomes the Halifax race and so on, but stuff happens. Live with it. You are NOT CHANGED.

Shiri is a Furrikin, not a Faeling.

Heh. I'm only "still going on about this" because someone brought it up. The argument doesn't get less valid over time, you know.

I'm not a Faeling incidentally.

And yes, they're not changed. That's the WHOLE POINT. It should have been changed, so that they're better, and this has dashed hopes of that, and they had no good reason to expect it, and have to lose a lot to get better. That isn't really fair.

It's as if - say you're an Ur'Guard. You know that skill you wish you hadn't got, puissance? That's really bad and you want an upgrade to it? Would you like it if suddenly a new skill was added in Stag that made puissance do three times as effective instead of two times, for the cost of 1p extra? No you wouldn't. You'd have to change guilds and city/commune to take advantage of it. You would think you'd been screwed out of a skill. Well, this happened to Faelings for a lot more than one skill.

Would you say "it was GIVEN an upgrade. So what if only I didn't get it?" No.

But that's what's happened.

I have no sympathy for Lucidians, Trill or Furrikin this happens to. (I'm a Furrikin.) But for Faelings it's rather a different scenario.

I'm not sure you're understanding the reasoning here. I don't think anyone has a problem with Glomdoring becoming a commune, and few were disappointed that it was taint-based.

The primary issue I have is to do with Faelings the race being redirected in a very unpredictable manner. As I said, I chose a Faeling because I love the concepts surrounding the offspring of the Nature Spirits, and they fit so perfectly with the original magical, mystical commune of Serenwilde.

As for 'wishful thinking' or 'not looking at the whole story':

Now, to me that indicates that Faelings were always going to be the secondary race of the communes, and they were suited to communes plural. (As an aside, I would have thought the 'elfen communes' also implied that all three communes had elfen as the specialization race, but lets not go there.) As Serenwilde is the most fae-obsessed of the three communes, I also thought they would be wonderful in Serenwilde. No more wonderful than any other commune, but definitely no less. That has changed. If you can find somewhere in the histories that suggest differently, please tell me.

Now, change is fine, but the problem with this particular change is that only a single polarity of forestal viewpoint gets the advantage. Had a new shadowfae race emerged, fine, because they would not have ultimately left regular faelings as unspecialized and thus saddled with a balancing 'advantage' that doesn't apply at all to us.

Could I change and be a Glomdoring faeling to get the advantages? Sure. But I don't enjoy playing those sort of characters at all. The level of real-world evil that Serenwilde has the potential to display I personally can handle. But the extreme sadism of Magnagora/Glomdoring is something I find most unpleasant to take on.

These shadow specializations mean that if you want to get the most out of your Faeling character, you should choose that commune, and all the philosophy that goes along with it. I didn't choose this beautifully crafted race to be a part of a commune that supports disease, rot and ruin, however much that may be internally justified.

Meh, I have trouble trying to enunciate why I'm disappointed, obviously. I think Shiri's analogy is a good one.

You didnt choose to be a faeling to support that commune, but I did. It seems to be that you have a problem with people not fitting into the mold that You think they should have.


The file says ALMOST always. Well that was until Glomdoring came along now its different. Should I claim that is wrong for you to be apart of the Serenwilde when you could embrace the shadows and realize your true potential bcause thats what I think faelings are supposed to do.

Aye, almost always. As in, sometimes they are raised in Magnagora/Celest.

And you have utterly missed the point. I had no problem with a new race arriving that suits Glomdoring perfectly like the new tainted faelings do. I have a problem with the CHANGE that made it so Faelings as a race are inherently more suited to Glomdoring than Serenwilde.

And yes your claim would have been wrong. Until now, nothing in the histories/help files said anything about Faelings being exclusively suited to Glomdoring, and in fact suggested the opposite.

Hiya Shiri.

Race is for RP. RP doesn't imply suitability for combat. You want combat? Choose suitable race. You want RP? choose suitable race. Both aren't working? Aww.

Heck. Morik is a human. You can guess exactly how tanky that makes him, how much damage he can do with cosmic fire and exactly how fast he is. Should humans get upgraded because they're crappy? What would you upgrade with humans?

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