I would like to ask a question regarding your comments, Roark, if you are willing to answer it. I think it may address my concern

Does this mean that regular Faelings will be balanced equally with their specialized form, as if they were separate races? Or, will the specialization be treated as an inherent advantage of the Faeling race?

Did you read what you quoted?

That was quite possibly the most stupid post I've read today.

Elryn, read my lips:

UNSPECIALIZED FAELING WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS SHADOW FAELING!

Brood and master viscanti are much better than unspecialized viscanti.

High and elfen lords are much better than unspecialized elfen.

Imperial and merian lords are much better than unspecialized merian.

And shadow faeling will always be better than unspecialized faeling.

There is no possible reason whatsoever for unspecialized faeling to be balanced with shadow faeling.

There we go, case closed, give up, and shut up. If you still don't understand, just read the post you quoted 15 times, if you still don't understand after that...don't bother at all.

It's not so much that. It's the fact that Faelings specializing in Serenwilde makes as much sense as Faelings specializing in Glomdoring. Faelings were in all Communes, and the reason specializations exist, is so that Cities/Communes have the proper ratio of their respective races.

Yeah, and just like Roark said, it could have been mugwump, it could have been elfen, it could have been anything, they just picked the one they thought would be best, end of story.

Mugwump would have been best really I think. There is a hella huge swamp in glomdoring.

You regular faelings need to stop trying to steal my thunder...

Hella huge being 23 rooms, including the 3 river rooms passing through it. The underground cave system was over twice that, even before the recent additions... and the forest itself at least 4x the size. Then there's a field area which is larger than the swamp, and... well, let's just say the "hella huge" swamp is a tiny fraction of the total. Going by size of an area- it'd make more sense for it to be Taurians instead of Mugwumps, due to the larger plain!


Edit: And don't anyone DARE try to say Dwarves should be the specialized race due to the caves.

Each of the original specialization races was an original specialization race . It not only matched the concept of the race that every player who bothered reading came to the game with, it helped define the concept of the race, and no player could have found his character concept of those races left out in the cold save by personal choice to reject what already existed.

The tainted faelings are the exact opposite.

Long after a group of very dedicated players had entrenched into the role-play of their faeling characters, they are presented with an upgrade -- the only serious upgrade they are likely to ever be offered -- that forces them to accept a role completely anathema to the one they long ago established in good faith.

Refusing to debase onself so shamelessly in pursuit of power and/or companionship, or refusing to accept being pressed into such a choice in stoic silence, is bloody well not whining. It's called self respect.

With tainted faeling specialists here to stay, I personally can't see any just solution that doesn't involve allowing non-tainted faelings to specialize as well.

OOhh my manse is bigger than the glomdoring swamp

Very well said.

Best reasoning someone has posted regarding this topic IMHO.

Ye gods.

Around and around and around we go, and where the discussion stops, nobody knows.

Same thing getting recycled over and over again.

Mugwumps wouldn't have been a good choice, because way back when, in chapter 5 of this epic novel, Roark said they all migrated to cities and forgot their nature roots. That and the fact Mugwumps don't usually live in trees. If they did we'd call them monkeys. Buuuut they don't, so they aren't.

No matter what argument of justification is put before the people who go on about non specialised faelings, they are going to argue the point, no matter what gets said.

And the Gods said unto the universe, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
And the non specialized faelings of Serenwilde said unto the Gods, "Aw what? You upgraded the darkness and now you make this...this LIGHT?!?! Darkness was here first! You should make darkness more powerful so it can compete with the light, because this light thing you've made is like soooooooooo overpowered"


Sounds stupid? Well so does this whole Faeling thing.

Roark said (also back in chapter 5 of our story) that he was originally going to just give the balance boost for Shadowlords only. But then an agreement is reached to give all Faelings the balance upgrade.

And still they whine and complain.

The admin gives faelings a foot, and then people complain and whinge and want a mile instead.

C'mon kids, let's be sensible. If you'd wanted to be able to skip around the commune and not get left out, you should have been an elfen. And for those people who want Faelings not in Glomdoring to get specialisations to "solve" our apparently ENORMOUS problem. Well while we're at it, let's give...I dunno...hmm... Let's give Dracnari some specialisations in Mag. Good idea that. Makes no sense, and they're getting a specialisation elsewhere, but hey, it'd be fun to see some Brood Dracnari kicking some serious backside across the basin, right? And Mag could do with TWO specialised races, right? Probably about as much as Serenwilde could do with two specialised races.

Just because you don't get your way, doesn't mean you have to compile a novel about the grievances the admin supposedly have against Faelings. They've made their decision, accept it. Please. The world will not turn upside down and our brains fall out our ears just because they decided to do something interesting and make Faelings evil. Heaven forbid we throw some originality into the works, and heaven also forbid we don't give the Serenwilde a monopoly on two races.

Serenwilde doesn't own Faelings, and it's got no leverage to dictate what should and shouldn't happen to the butterfly winged potatoes. It's like saying Australia owns it's aborigines. Sure they come from there, but could Australia tell any aborigines overseas "Hey, come back, WE PRACTICALLY OWN YOU!". No it couldn't. Until the day I see all Faelings with little stamps on their backsides saying "PROPERTY OF SERENWILDE" You can't tell the world, "This is how it should be, because we know what's best for an entire race"

(Excerpt from page 535 of The "Grievances" of the Faelings.)

Nope..

Zhaine's on the other hand, is.

Nope, Exarius' is, because Zhaine's missed a few key points.


Roark ALSO said that this was actually meant to be in the Faeling race to begin with. So it's not a case of "giving the Faelings a foot and they ask for a mile." It's a case of "Faelings asked for a yard, got given an inch THEY WERE MEANT TO HAVE TO START WITH, then got told they could have the rest of the yard and then some BUT ONLY IF they went right ahead and turned back on all the roleplay they'd done so far, lose tonnes of lessons they paid for, etc. etc., when they have no real reason to apart from said upgrades they really needed."

He actually didn't really address the argument at all, but just kept drenching up the same "shut up and deal" crud people have been trying to use as REASONING since the beginning of the thread.

EDIT: Oh, and while I disagree that regular Faelings should get a specialisation as well as the Glomdoring ones, and I really can't see any decent solution, but respect their right to complain and feel hard done by BECAUSE THEY ARE, this argument is grievously faulty.

Dracnari in Mag, eh? Where in the histories did this happen? Now, remember where Faelings come from. Fae and Elfen. Both of whom exist in abundance in the Serenwilde and Etherwilde. You're saying this "makes no sense?" Why? "Because they shouldn't have two specialisation races?" Well, if you're saying that, it's true enough, but your reasoning is highly at fault. Brood Dracnari have no reason to be there. High Faelings, on the other hand, do. In fact there's less reasoning that MAKES SENSE for Faelings to be in Glomdoring, because they in fact only appeared there like two IG years ago. Yes, NOW it makes sense, but again, how could the Faelings have known this was going to happen? Let's just have Dracnari all "see the light" and emigrate to Hallifax, because, well, it makes sense NOW, doesn't it?

Yeha, I only read the last page.

All I can say is (and my logic is always the best kind) you don't see Glomdoring elfens whining because there is a specialization they don't get.

And no, don't try to argue the whole "there were faelings for years before the upgrades". I understand that argument, it however, is not valid.

Love,
Richter

Your logic is only the best kind because it doesn't NEED valid reasoning, eh?

I personally don't see why you couldn't have 2 specialized races for each city. Magnagora can get Orclach, Serenwilde can get Faeling, Glomdoring can get Elfen, and Celest gets Mugwump (even more fire/lightning fearing fishies).

Sure, it'd be hard as heck to balance all of them, but it'd be interesting at least to make these races more balanced.

Nono, -my- reasoning is valid.

No, your reasoning is not valid, it's not even INvalid, it's freaking nonexistant.