That was supposed to be a rather simple observation...

I was referring to the way you said the other argument wasn't valid.

It is.

You claimed it isn't. You need to give reasoning. You didn't. It therefore has to be assumed that you do not in fact HAVE any reasoning, so your post can be disregarded.

Makes sense to me!

Explains a lot.

It made sense to me at the time, I suppose.

Now it just looks like a Shiro post. Short, not thought out, and no one understands it or even cares to try.

I don't want Serenwilde Faeling to get a specialization. As I keep saying, I wish Faeling had not had any specializations at all, and Glomdoring either had a new race, or a different branch of Elfen specialization so that Faelings were equally viable in all communes. That is obviously not going to happen now, and I have accepted the bizarre change that Faelings are now Glomdoring's race.

What I don't want to see, and of course I feel this way because I have invested in a Faeling character, is Serenwilde/Ackleberry Faelings clearly less suited to their environment than Glomdoring Faelings.

This is not a matter of 'owning' the race, or wanting to keep everything for Serenwilde. Its a matter of not having the race mutated into a totally different concept that originally envisaged.

I still think if people actually think through an analogy, they'll understand. For instance, we could say that Orclach (which were viewed almost as subpar as Faelings) will specialize in Celest, as they shrug off their orcish manner and become Celestial Orclach - much more graceful and beautiful than others of their race, physically smaller and not as thick-skinned, but far more wise and nimble. The Supernals will grant them blessings as they become attuned to Light and the forces of life, and fiercely resistant to the taint. Both warrior and mage/guardian specializations will retain the essential combat advantages of regular Orclach, but very much improved, as the blessings of the Supernals infuses Celestial Orclach with greater power.

Now, this is fair enough, there were orclach throughout the empire (ie, in Old Celest) before the taint wars and there have always been a group of orclach who felt betrayed by it. The problem, as with the Faeling change, is that the specializations aren't really Orclach anymore. How will the loyal Orclach Ur'guard characters feel, who until this change were following the path most consistent with their racial history? Should they be told to 'get over it' and move to celest if they want their much needed upgrades? After all, they aren't any worse off than they were before and they should not have expected to get any better. The original race concept has changed, deal with it?

There wasn't one.

Deal with it.

...yes there was? There's a concept for every race.

Well, Faelings with moon/stag get a specialisation. We lose half our regen, because tainted forest no longer works for us! Whee.

What fun.

And yes, I'm feeling sarcastic.

Serenwilde never had anyone give birth to dark faelings, that's why we get them specialized.

Yes see, the concept behind faeling is that they were a mix of Fae and Elfen.

It just so happens that Faeling existed before any Fae or Elfen interbred, but now that they have, they can take on thier true form.


The real question you should be asking is , how did these faeling exist BEFORE rowena seduced the fae?

Retroactive breeding, its all the rage.

Uh huh...

Since all those Serenwilde faelings seem to be complaining alot about this, just change the specialization to Dwarves, then you'll wish you had the Faeling specialization back in glom! All in all, STOP WHINING!

Stop TELLING them to stop whining if what you're saying ABOUT it isn't valid, ARGH.

How is it not valid? This whole thread is basically just a big whine about how underpowered Faeling are now, because they got a specialization in Glom.

Page 679... (Excerpt from: The War Against the Shadow Faelings)

Part III - Some letters to home

Dear Shiri,

Whilst I respect your points, you missed the main emphasis on the whole brood dracnari thing. It wasn't meant to have any basis for use in the game. It was to reflect on the fact that having two specialised races, no matter which city or commune, would unbalance game mechanics. Game mechanics. It's a strange thing, that. Used for years by developers to create a game that isn't too overbalanced in any particular area, whilst still being enjoyable. Every popular roleplaying game has such a concept, and Lusternia is no exception. But yes, we have our staple "awesome" races. We always will, in any roleplaying game. A forestal race was needed, and we've only got two ACTUAL foresty races. Rather than have both communes as Elfen, and be same same, the decision was reached to establish Faelings as the dominant race in the Glomdoring. This can be backed up by the storyline leading up to such.

And for those of you who seem to enjoy the whole "It's bad rp" angle of debate, which I'm sure we've all heard countless times over many IRE games, I ask you this. The admin made up the storyline for the introduction of shadow faelings, they worked it into the game, and they pulled it off admirably, rather than letting everyone go to sleep, wake up and suddenly everyone asks "Where did that commune come from? And whats with the evil looking faelings?" Are you in fact saying that the admin are doing a dodgey job? Because I read how it happened, and short of introducing a new race, it was an excellent stroke by the coder monkeys. Oh, and as for the inch/yard/mile giving and taking, Roark did indeed say "Oops, forgot you guys should have that, here you go. Sorry about that". It was meant for faelings in general as you said, so you shouldn't whinge if the specialised race has it, since it's, as stated, "Specialised". More covered in my letter to Elryn.

Dear Elryn,

You can't please everyone. It's a well known fact, and every business owner and politician throughout time has had that principle ingrained into the very core of their existance. You're upset that you chose a race that started out as what you had assumed to be a Serenwilde dominant race, and then suddenly, in order to actually be a decent faeling, you have to be evil. Which annoys you. Understandable I suppose. However, I'm curious if you would be as angry if say... Ackleberry had come out first, and against all odds, Faeling were the specialised race. Now, lets also assume that the rp behind it was sound. And as a curveball, lets say that Ackleberry had been devastated from it's time in who knows where, and they blamed Serenwilde for all their woes. Would you start up the same argument about Ackleberry faelings?

For the most part, people complain about the Shadowlord Faelings. Honestly, how many Faeling warriors were there before Glomdoring came out? The fact that people might be diversifying the warrior race from Dracnari should be a blessing, even if you need to be "evil". I'm sure there will be a few Shadow faelings who, in a stroke of interesting rp, decide that they feel the need to redeem themselves in the eyes of their Non-Shadowy "brethren". As generally most Faelings are Wiccans or Druids, we need to compare them to Shadowcaster Faelings, which aren't HUGELY overpowering compared to their normal counterparts. But of course you're worried about normal faelings not getting upgrades in the face of shadow faelings. You can't change the fact that Faelings are now going to be mostly found in Glomdoring (because as I said to Shiri, like it or not, a vast number of people look at stats and abilities rather than rp potential). But for those of you who chose Faeling based on rp potential, and live everywhere else, you still have your place, and always will, because it's your rp and you want to stick by it. Some people just don't like the evil aspect of Glomdoring, Super Saiyan Faelings or not. It's not what you signed on for as a Faeling, true. But it's the process of game evolution. Hard fact of such evolution is that things change. You can't please everyone.

Just let is roll on for a while, and if you're all still unhappy in a few months, I'm sure we can all get together and write another novel on Faelings.

I hardly think the problem is being evil. Glomdoring hasn't yet shaped up to be very evil at all, and I have always liked that Serenwilde has quite dark aspects of its own.

The difference you should be using is that Glomdoring is TAINTED. Corrupt and enslave nature and all that. Still a twisted form of forestal, just totally anathema to what Faelings were. Hence the drastic changes.

Yes, obviously we have to deal with the change, and become accustomed to being outside our natural environment even in Fae-centred Serenwilde. As I've said, I don't want Faelings to be any more game-mechanically suited to Serenwilde than elsewhere, they simply shouldn't be any less.

We will deal with it, but surely people can understand why we are somewhat pissed and disappointed. However, I am trying to look at the positives, and hopefully when charisma becomes more important in both combat and influence eventually, the two races will be more clearly balanced.

oooooo Dracnari in magnagora.....I'll swap my 2 in to make me have 12 int, for another +2 to str. I'll lose some charisma (useless) and convert it into a lvl 2 balance whie we're at it.

Fear me