Elemental runes

by Ceres

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Ceres2005-04-28 23:09:06
Beating lots and hoping to get lucky.

Combat's random here.
Murphy2005-04-28 23:15:11
sorry ceres as I stated in the other thread, that is why you were never one of the great warrior fighters, or most likely won't excel in any class choice in lusternia, thing is none of them are rediculously overpowered, and they haven't made a "pk class" like with puppetry and bombs and occies etc, every class has inherent weaknesses.

While its random in a lot of effects, there is a lot you can do to affect the outcome of combat.

maybe if you actually STUCK TO A FREAKING GUILD you'd learn the intimate details and synergy between your skills, rather than just whoring stuff like you do in achaea.
Ceres2005-04-28 23:17:17
Let's see..

A: I've been three classes to date.

B: The reason I was never one of the greatest warriors was not having elemental runes.

C:
QUOTE(Murphy @ Apr 28 2005, 11:10 PM)
ceres has a point about knights, there are like 3 or 4 levels of randomness and luck to actually get anything to happen.
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Murphy2005-04-28 23:47:46
hrm lets see...elemtnal runes dont make you great. being able to fight does. (Taking from lazul who recently learnt to fight, perviously I'd take him down with ease)

I consider alger and terenas and daevos to be some of the greatest....all 3 are damn good, and daevos was just as good an tactical before he got elemental runes, they can make it work, you just don't have the dedication and work ethic to learn about it.

And does your system track deepwounds and afflictions you are giving them and what they are healing?
Revan2005-04-28 23:53:13
Daevos could kill anyone even before elemental runes were conceived
Athana2005-04-28 23:59:16
ha, I love how Magangorans vote No and everyone else Yes...why? because Magnagora has the most kinghts with elemental runes, if not all.
Revan2005-04-29 00:02:28
Hey, I voted yes tongue.gif
Asarnil2005-04-29 05:47:04
QUOTE(Athana @ Apr 29 2005, 10:29 AM)
ha, I love how Magangorans vote No and everyone else Yes...why? because Magnagora has the most kinghts with elemental runes, if not all.
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And you notice how the Magnagorian WARRIORS (not knights for crying out loud) are the only ones of the bunch who can regularly kill in a fight?
Terenas2005-04-29 15:25:05
QUOTE(Asarnil @ Apr 29 2005, 05:47 AM)
And you notice how the Magnagorian WARRIORS (not knights for crying out loud) are the only ones of the bunch who can regularly kill in a fight?
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I'd be more surprised if those +6 strength doesn't help you win fights easier. Knight damage is a lost cause I've found out in Achaea, hence why I'm a Merian Serenguard. Go Moonburst! biggrin.gif
Daevos2005-04-29 17:38:23
I think elemental runes should be toned down a bit, but only if warrior afflictions are boosted.
Gwylifar2005-04-29 19:04:26
It's also noteworthy that of all the specialization races, only one has a big glaring elemental vulnerability.
Terenas2005-04-29 19:14:19
QUOTE(Gwylifar @ Apr 29 2005, 07:04 PM)
It's also noteworthy that of all the specialization races, only one has a big glaring elemental vulnerability.
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Yeah, give Viscanti and Elfen elemental weaknesses!
Gwylifar2005-04-30 01:53:34
And shadow faelings, don't forget them.
Icarus2005-04-30 03:23:05
I voted no, because I am horrible even with the runes. crying.gif
Tehn2005-04-30 04:40:29
I voted Yes, however, that doesn't justify my opinion. In my opinion, on a player against player combat scale, if you rank your average everyday warrior (not specific, just keep athletics and Blade/Bone in mind)..you get something like a 4-5. That's my opinion. They can kill, but you have to get lucky and your opponent can't be too intelligent. Now, add elemental runes.. and you're more like a 9-10. Now, I'm not arguing that runes are too powerful specificly, but also that regular knights are too weak. (Blademaster moreso that Bonecrusher) So I would argue that, rather than just nerf elemental runes, slightly make them less important, less powerful and make knights slightly more effective. Those who have their runes would keep close to the same power level, just lose the power in artifacts and gain it in class, which ALL warriors need.
Sylphas2005-04-30 13:03:18
For 800 credits, I can increase my (100% cutting) damage by 15%. Warriors, for 700 credits, can increase their damage by a LOT more than that.

Either downgrade runes, double their price, or give me a 700cr sceptre that gives me +50% damage. If you have to upgrade non-artied warriors, do so, but fix it somehow.
Geb2005-04-30 14:31:20
QUOTE(terenas @ Apr 28 2005, 11:00 PM)
Heretic/Infidel/Inquisition. Failing that, just fight them until they get annoyed and heartstop. Or in my case, until the person gets d/c after 2 straight hours of fighting.  biggrin.gif
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Yea, that last part did work against me. glare.gif
Geb2005-04-30 14:39:59
I voted yes. Make warriors more viable without them. Gaining near a 100% increase in damage for 700 credits is a bit out of whack. Give the average warrior the afflictions needed to be effective against the average fighter, but take away the extreme damage boost the runes give to any warrior that purchase them. Overall, the runes should at best give a warrior a 15-35% increase in damage (Using monk knuckles as a baseline), not the 80-100% increase they now seem to give against certain people.

*Colors used to make sure people see the entirety of my post, and not just the parts they do not like.
Murphy2005-04-30 14:42:04
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Apr 30 2005, 11:03 PM)
For 800 credits, I can increase my (100% cutting) damage by 15%.  Warriors, for 700 credits, can increase their damage by a LOT more than that.

Either downgrade runes, double their price, or give me a 700cr sceptre that gives me +50% damage.  If you have to upgrade non-artied warriors, do so, but fix it somehow.
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elemental runes aren't a damage booster, they are a damage type modifyer.

If you were undeffed with no physical resistances, the lighting runes wouldn't make a lick of difference. Its because there are so many damage resistors out there, that you dont like to take so much physical damage....im just waiting for someone to bring out a mage with lightnings staffs
Sylphas2005-04-30 14:59:29
I know that. But IN EFFECT, they boost damage.