Not at all. I see Glomdoring's predicament as entirely temporary, so I think the 'lack of fun' aspect is substituted by the excitement and opportunity of new skills and a new org. That will fade over time, but to replace it will come the power and strength to defend yourselves and make an imprint upon the Basin.

The admins/coders have it spot on in this instance.

Probably because its apparent that your 'peace' is only a stepping stone to attempt to destroy serenwilde later. That doesnt change the fact that peace, even for a short while woud be nice.

And being the supreme dictator of Glomdoring is hardly behind the scenes or laying low.

I think installing Viravain as dictator was a smart move. Silenced the people clamouring for power, enabled people to see who genuinely deserves it (with the exclusion of the two GMs, but they seem good choices anyway). Just as long as it doesn't go on too much longer.

You obviously have your head in the sand as that is not at all 'apparent'. I have been an extreme isolationist, often say that what Night and Crow want aren't necessarily what is what is best for the commune (i.e., the conflict quests), and have repeatedly expressed respect for Serenwilde as it is a forest and I still consider myself a nature goddess.

If you want to use me (or Lisaera) as a scapegoat for justification of the current RP between Glomdoring and Serenwilde, so be it. But the truth of the matter is that what players are doing, they are doing DESPITE the RP of the gods. Grow up and accept responsibility amongst yourselves that the conflict is entirely of your own making.

That's not an accurate thing to say. The current situation is a result of an imbalance because one organisation is old and one is new. While Viravain is "supreme dictator", I've yet to see her actviely manipulating events. Certain players, namely Glomdoring and Serenwilde's leaders, have made decisions that simply make the imbalance even greater.

Even if Viravain had been controlling every last aspect of our interaction with Serenwilde, it still wouldn't be entirely her fault. Blame never rests on a single person.

Where you sit determines what you see. Erion blames a lot of this on me for reporting the leak, I see the situation as a natural result of time, you blame it on Viravain.. Which of us is right? We all are, in some part. It's very easy to build a case to blame a single person for a chain of events. Such claims are entirely baseless, just like yours is.



What some people don't seem to understand is that the whole "Glomdoring is Mine" thing just means you pick who decides what happens Overall I'm pretty happy with your involvement thusfar, except for a minor IC gripe or two.

The main problem we're seeing with treaties is poor communication from our leaders, and from what I've heard Serenwilde is going through the same thing. Was there a treaty? What were the terms? Who broke it? etc.. Supposedly there was some treaty, someone violated it, and nobody seems to know beyond that.

Decisions to make treaties, not make treaties, make treaties but not tell people about them, not make treaties and say you did, and any combination thereof is prettymuch as a result of the players in charge.. I'm not keen on how they've handled the situation, but they were the right choice from Viravain's IC perspective.

Frankly I blame Gwyllgi! I had a nice treaty too

Umm no. Lisaera herself has gone out of her way to instill this hate between Serenwilde and Glomdoring.

I would sooner blame those parties on both sides (well, on all sides) who leap to offense and raiding that's completely contrary to their leaders' orders and wishes, thus breaking every treaty we can make as fast as we can make them. And the leaders who are unable or unwilling to stop them, for whatever reasons.

I talk to a lot of people in Serenwilde, from all three guilds, including both soldiers and civilians, those who want to bash or craft and those who want war. I can say with confidence that for every person who wants to crush Glomdoring while it's weak, there are at least ten who don't want to. Some of those feel compelled to participate because there's every IC reason to do so and no IC reason not to (of course OOC we all know that we won't be able to keep them weak or destroy them, but IC we don't know that). But most just get dragged in because whatever the latest treaty was has already been broken. Sometimes it's a race to see whether the mavericks on our side can break it faster than the mavericks on the other side.

So as long as a handful of people in each organization can completely ignore the leadership, do whatever they please, and thereby decide for the entire rest of the commune/city what their lives are going to be like for the next while, it's going to be like this. The demands of the Avatars and such are only preventing one solution to the problem, not causing the problem.

Last treaty I knew of was before Glomdoring emerged as an actual commune. I'd assume all treaties became void at that point, simply from the change in circumstances. Not sure if new ones have been attempted.

You cannot DESTROY mushroom circles? That would indeed be a lot more fun
if you could do that.

Read your news, then.

They have been attempted. Gregori flat out refused and 'forgot' to tell the Commune about it.

I'll quote my own sig.




I still have the entire conversation with Gwyllgi saved in MS Word.

Change DESPITE to BECAUSE and add in Avatars then you'll have a more accurate representation of the situation.

People like Narsrim and Marsu will attack. No amount of isolationism will fix that.

What you could do is enable Glomdoring to appoint guards to help stop them. Marsu, Tuek, Narsrim, and I'm sure others, can currently stroll through every defence players offer.

Last I heard, guards didn't stop them very well either.

There is no way in hell you can blame the Avatars or Viravain for the situation. You CAN blame players who twist the words of the avatars to continue war.

There is no way I would have written the public post I did if it were not for Viravain giving us the goahead and saying that Serenwilde is a commune and should be respected as such.


And Sure Viravain can magically drop 500K power in our nexus to let us afford enough guards to protect ourselves, since we have no villages, but I think people would be a bit pissed about that.

Well, I blame Gwynevere for being snotty. She came into Serenwilde showing off her key to our Council Chambers. I stole it and almost died in the process to which she replied, "Oh, you really should come back. I miss you already." I did come back and I took down 25 saplings for the invitation

I nstat every 5 minutes or so. I have no memory of an actual agreed to treaty that was ever in effect without being broken. Maybe I'm just forgetting. I'll check after work.

Narsrim, I do agree that Gwyne's prank wasn't helpful, but that was somewhere way between things, and didn't really have much to do with making anyone follow or not follow a treaty, or consider one.

But to be quite honest, if anyone is snotty, it's people like you bragging with those 25 saplings you so grandly took down. Here's an interesting quote for you:



Quod erat demonstrandum, eh?

David and Gwylifar got ya by the nuts quite firmly there Narsrim, total loss.