And i got enemied for a BS reason....

i've never really jumped random serens on astral until now, I'm not some random pkers greifer man, I do things for a reason, or someone has angered me. anyone remember me threatening shamarah with hunting all his younger members because he diluted me?

RP, use it.

And again, don't bloody judge me if you dont freakin know me.

I care not for cheap and quick experience, Hell i don't even check what ranking they are, i just go Serenwilder.....not paying my protection.....go hunt as part of my regime, after I kill them, then i offer them my protection

Why do people need a reason on astral now? I could see you getting absolutely pissed if he killed this person bashing aslarans on prime, but astral?!?! If you can't fight, don't go to astral. I can't fight, and therefore I have yet to bash astral and am making levels the slow way. I'm at level 78 right now, so it can be done in other ways then going there.

Most of you I recognize as Achaean alts and will equate Astral to that of the UW. People hang out in the UW all the time and just randomly slay people who are bashing down there, so I would expect the Astral plane to be no different. I walked down in the UW for 3 minutes, and was immediately attacked and killed twice. It is a risk you take going to an Open PK plane and you really have no basis for getting pissed when you or someone you know dies up there. Was Murphy's reasons great?...I dunno...but it is his call to make. If you want to hunt him up there for it like Tuek did, fine, but ragging on him for killing on astral is kind of sad. There is a reason why the place is open PK and will become ridiculous if we start hounding each other for killing up there.

This bothers me. Does this mean that just because the planes are open PK that RP goes totally out of the window. "OHH look a person over there lets kill him!"
Do morals and values go totally out of the window too? Would you kill guildmates, citymates, children puppydogs, kittens squirrels and so on and so on once you reach astral? Is there a sign at the gates that says leave common sense at the door?

Let's get one thing straight. There's no such thing as OPEN PK in Lusternia. There are avenger-free-non-declare-defend zones. Kthanx.

He could be RP'ng a murderous rampage...
He could be RP'ng a highwayman exacting a toll for being in "his" area...

You can play characters 300 different ways, and only because you don't like it doesn't mean it is horrid RP. Horrid RP is when you can't fight and go to a place where you know you can be engaged at anytime. I won't be going to a Hell's Angel bar and hanging out there, because I know at any time I could get my ass whipped. You want to talk about common sense, if you can't fight don't run into the fight.

I got my ass handed to me by Amaru and Malicia about 5 times in Estelbar the other day, and Amaru even hunted me down. Did I complain after praying and losing levels...no. If you enter an area where you can be attacked, accept the consequences and move on.

Ialie knows murphy's rp behind this, and there are quite a few people on the protected list who murphy has put on there, including paying membets, instead of all you non-combatants just hunting and being stubborn, why not speak to murphy and ask him what the go is, he's quite reasonable to speak to when you aren't insulting or threatening him...soll can attest to that.

Thank you for channeling the Achaean admins.

They told me the same thing, "There is no Open PK in Achaea, simply you lose the right to issue or purchase a champion"

What?

My point was that there are no pk restricted zones. The term 'open pk' doesn't apply in Lusternia. You could jump someone who was bashing in Skarch desert at the time and that person could do nothing but curse, seek the avenger, or look to his commune/city for support.

Right, which if Murphy was randomly jumping people there, I would be all on board with the arguments here against him. The thread however is taking issue with him jumping someone on Astral which is clearly a plane where violence does occur and is allowed to occur. If they simply wanted Astral as a bashing ground, it would be the same as prime as far as Pk status. It's not, and even if he wants to kill for the sake of it being a Serenwilder, then I have no real argument against it. He killed someone who did nothing to him, and then someone who had nothing happen to him came up and killed Murphy. Is that better than what Murphy did? Not really.

I reiterate. If you can't fight, don't go to astral. If you do, then be willing to accept any type of death you receive up there even if you don't like the reason.

and malicia, murphy even contacted you out of the blue to let you know you were protected for your relation to amaru, and I cut a simliar deal with narsrim in relation to soll......hence you haven't been jumped

Which just proves she's being objective and thinking about the more innocent people who ARE.

EDIT: Incidentally, I'm not going to be arguing about myself, either. While I'm sure your reasons for killing me were entirely random, you COULD theoretically draw upon valid reasoning after the fact, and besides, I'm a Magnagoran enemy and have killed you in raids a couple times (as part of teams, obviously.) Killing the two far more innocent people (one of whom has NEVER fought) who were with me, however, is not kosher.

If you actually bother to read my posts carefully. I don't care if Murphy is jumping people on Astral, I know the Avenger does not protect there so anyone that hunts up there is doing it at their own risks. My point is rather concerning his 'reasons' for his actions. He could be saying he's hunting them because he hates them and I could care less. I'm attacking his reasons for his actions, not of his actions.

her point is that my rp is horrible, and that she is judging me thusly, which im refuting.

The killing of innocents for the actions of their leaders has been well documented in my rp dealings with shamarah, and also i belive tuek and ethelon in the past as well....and they have all generally been resolved in an IC manner.....Najii just likes to snub people when he doesn't like what they are saying, and snubbing is very OOC in my opinion

I'd like to add, those who are known to be good with RP (Narsrim I've found to be good, Soll too) have all played along and either tried to smack me down valiantly, or worked with me and talked to me about it.

Hell even Argilent was good with threatening me in defence of his wife

Last post. Basically, it boils down to this. It's not the in game mechanics that I'm focused on. It's Murphy's reasons and the fact that most people respect each others space on Astral. I've bashed on Astral with about 10 Mags up there who might have had every reason to jump me and kept at a distance. It's an unspoken, unofficial code of honour. You're bashing, so I won't eff with you. More pk happens on Prime than on Astral. This is pointless so, meh.

I hate that 'honour'. Free death zones should be free death zones, other planes are supposed to be wild and dangerous, not second homes.

Usualy Murphy also lets all the serens go by unharmed, but chains of events have been stacking up on his psyche and thusly turning him into more of an angry, bitter person, and thusly extorting serens...

and 15k is bugger all astral gold, hell you could probably even negotiate it to 10k if you felt the need.

And i keep my unspoken code of honour with a lot of astral bashers, but whoever said reasons had to be logical and valid in the first place, its the pont of RP.....maybe if you took it IC inteas of bitching here like a schoolgirl who's parents wont let her to the school dance, you might get some progress with the situation.

"Najii" has permasnubbed three people to date: Munsia, Ravin, and Murphy. So don't bother with this ridiculous "don't like what they're saying" rubbish. If I DID snub people for that reason I'd have Daevos/Jack/Bricriu/...well, plenty of others thoroughly ignored, but in fact I do not. I believe that snubbing is OOC too, and I did it to you because I already have to put up with you on the forums, which I can't avoid (believe me, I would if you weren't one of the most-censored people on the boards so I have to read your posts) so if I can avoid it in the game I'm sure as heck going to do it. You know what you can do it if you don't LIKE it.

Also, it doesn't invalidate my argument in any way. Tatine didn't snub you, so don't even try to use that as an excuse.

who is tatine and how does it relate to the point at hand.

so you snubbed murphy in game because you don't like what i say on the boards, how mature and tolerant....

and you take everything i saw way to personal like, most of the time im either being sarcastic or joking...

lighten up, or get a can or harden up into you

Tatine is another one of those people with me you randomly attacked on the Astral that has never even participated in a fight before and was given none of these warnings you claim to give out.

Yes, I snubbed Murphy in game because you're not a person I want to have to deal with, as the boards have made obvious to me. Is snubbing OOC or isn't it? Make your mind up.

As for taking everything you say too personally, don't kid yourself, that's hardly the only reason.

I have no clue what this can or harden up or whatever you're talking about is, incidentally.