Lichdom

by Narsrim

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Thorgal2005-05-04 10:01:16
QUOTE(Singollo @ May 4 2005, 01:48 AM)
I don't have a lot of time to log in (I lead a busy real life), since I  try not to idle around and defenses cost a lot here, so I don't do much one on one combat (which is really not necessary in my experience with Lusternia).
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Well, if you think trueheal is not debated in its current form, and lichdom is completely overpowered in all aspects, your time in the realms and having actual experience in combat situations obviously DOES matter.
Lisaera2005-05-04 10:58:26
QUOTE(Singollo @ May 3 2005, 08:42 PM)
Ok, I was misinformed then. Liching doesn't waste XP, so why would they care? I mean its not like anyone, especially Magnagora, does exceptional RP.
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I've only just noticed this reply, and completely ignoring the arguments about lichdom, your second sentence is entirely untrue. Just because you don't do exceptional RP or your friends don't, doesn't mean nobody does. Personally, I force my guilds and commune to RP for everything I do for them as a patron. I'm part of several player-created and player-run organisations built entirely on RP that have grown to affect the world in many different ways.

It really annoys me when people malign everyone with a generalisation because of their limited scope, especially when it is so obvious that even the cities and communes, with all their other concerns, have been making far-reaching decisions based on RP. Think about the fae tainting war, all the recent Glomdoring stuff, the oleanvir adders, the Viravain/Kethuru event, Celest killing the fae because they thought it would somehow weaken the bane of their RP existence, the Demon Lords.

I also wonder why you think this situation is bad RP, perhaps the liches are so convinced of their invulnerability in undeath that it doesn't matter to them to suffer the conventional idea of death to get what they want. If you choose to see everything in a bad light, it'll seem that way, but I think if you just open your eyes to how much a lot of people to do make Lusternia so immersive and great, you'll see an entirely different picture.
Unknown2005-05-04 11:02:32
Don't Ur'guard like pain and death? Why wouldn't they lich in, they get pain AND get in!?
Thorgal2005-05-04 11:10:54
Singollo = pwnt

Yet again.
Zhaine2005-05-04 15:49:56
Graceful in victory as always Thorgal.

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Shiri2005-05-04 15:55:50
QUOTE(Thorgal @ May 4 2005, 11:01 AM)
Well, if you think trueheal is not debated in its current form, and lichdom is completely overpowered in all aspects, your time in the realms and having actual experience in combat situations obviously DOES matter.
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I think you're determined not to actually hear what Singollo's saying on this one, but I'll say it again anyway to give you the benefit of the doubt. It's OVERPOWEREDNESS is not debated in its current.

That means he KNOWS it's ridiculous. Read the post I made after that and the reply he made to it. His saying "nobody who doesn't use it to their advantage then" (paraphrased) indicates that he's well aware it's overpowered, but was being...ironic. (I think is the word. sleep.gif)

Anyway, yeah. You might want to read his posts more closely before you insult his judgement. X_x
Xenthos2005-05-04 15:58:26
Not really being ironic, just more exact. As there is one rather outspoken user of trueheal on these forums who will swear up and down that it is not overpowered in any way, shape, or form. mellow.gif
Shiri2005-05-04 15:59:16
That too.
Singollo2005-05-05 00:33:07
QUOTE(Lisaera @ May 4 2005, 06:58 AM)
I've only just noticed this reply, and completely ignoring the arguments about lichdom, your second sentence is entirely untrue. Just because you don't do exceptional RP or your friends don't, doesn't mean nobody does. Personally, I force my guilds and commune to RP for everything I do for them as a patron. I'm part of several player-created and player-run organisations built entirely on RP that have grown to affect the world in many different ways.

It really annoys me when people malign everyone with a generalisation because of their limited scope, especially when it is so obvious that even the cities and communes, with all their other concerns, have been making far-reaching decisions based on RP. Think about the fae tainting war, all the recent Glomdoring stuff, the oleanvir adders, the Viravain/Kethuru event, Celest killing the fae because they thought it would somehow weaken the bane of their RP existence, the Demon Lords.

I also wonder why you think this situation is bad RP, perhaps the liches are so convinced of their invulnerability in undeath that it doesn't matter to them to suffer the conventional idea of death to get what they want. If you choose to see everything in a bad light, it'll seem that way, but I think if you just open your eyes to how much a lot of people to do make Lusternia so immersive and great, you'll see an entirely different picture.
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Lost in translation? I didn't say anyone in particular was doing bad RP. Certainly there are a few, but there is nobody doing anything exceptional. Maybe I offended you, but oh well, if you're sensitive about a general statement like that, it means you feel affected by it. Are you letting your divine head get to you, Lisaera? I would consider exceptional RP on level with Yig's play in Achaea, and I welcome anyone to try to compare someone to his level here in Lusternia.

Do I think some people make Lusternia interesting? You bet! I never said anything to the contrary. In fact, I think Gregori's hardline stance and bliss to individual actions reflecting on his organization keeps some internal fun for me. In fact, I lauded the Glomdoring political structure. Do I think other people who for example target someone just because they happen to be on a free-pk plane detract from the game? Yep. Do I also think constant whining about others skills, or using a skill to circumvent a coded RP quest/item as well as pointless name calling over shouts hurt the game? I'd be surprised if you didn't agree. Perhaps you're just rationalizing.

Don't get venomous and patronizing with your fan base and customers, we don't like it.
Drago2005-05-05 00:51:48
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Don't get venemous and patronizing with your fan base and customers, we don't like it.
Don't get venemous and patronizing with volunteer gods and admin, they don't like it.
Unknown2005-05-05 01:40:47
QUOTE(Singollo @ May 4 2005, 07:33 PM)
Don't get venemous and patronizing with your fan base and customers, we don't like it.
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Please stop being a twit. Any respect I had for you has quickly dwindled to squat.
Drago2005-05-05 01:45:46
My reply was more classy.
Unknown2005-05-05 01:53:52
That should be my que then, Trueheal is not overpowered and i'm tired of people claiming it. Trueheal can be used to be overpowered, sure and so can other skills. Lich is not overpowered either, and I don't see the point of this topic. Let them waste so much power to get in, when you can kill pathetic orcs or go through an obelisk. TRUEHEAL IS NOT overpowered, thank you
Shiri2005-05-05 01:56:04
QUOTE("Somebody who uses it to their advantage")
That should be my que then, Trueheal is not overpowered and i'm tired of people claiming it. Trueheal can be used to be overpowered, sure and so can other skills. Lich is not overpowered either, and I don't see the point of this topic. Let them waste so much power to get in, when you can kill pathetic orcs or go through an obelisk. TRUEHEAL IS NOT overpowered, thank you


Case in point, Singollo. wacko.gif
Drago2005-05-05 01:56:43
QUOTE(Guardian_Shiro @ May 5 2005, 12:53 PM)
That should be my que then, Trueheal is not overpowered and i'm tired of people claiming it. Trueheal can be used to be overpowered, sure and so can other skills. Lich is not overpowered either, and I don't see the point of this topic. Let them waste so much power to get in, when you can kill pathetic orcs or go through an obelisk. TRUEHEAL IS NOT overpowered, thank you
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So.. what you're trying to say is Trueheal is not overpowered.. unless the person using it is using it to be overpowered?
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Unknown2005-05-05 01:58:01
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Shiri2005-05-05 01:58:52
QUOTE(Guardian_Shiro @ May 5 2005, 02:58 AM)
I said  how you use trueheal, can be overpowered or not. Case in point, when Amaru trueheals, he can then  use soulless in the same turn. Its how you use trueheal that will make it overpowered or not.
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Which is ENTIRELY THE POINT. blink.gif If you can use it to be overpowered...it's overpowered.

If you don't use it properly...it's still overpowered, you're just bad. :/
Drago2005-05-05 01:58:57
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Unknown2005-05-05 02:00:02
*Mutters* Leave me alone, i'm half asleep!
Unknown2005-05-05 02:02:25
QUOTE(Shiri @ May 4 2005, 09:58 PM)
Which is ENTIRELY THE POINT. blink.gif If you can use it to be overpowered...it's overpowered.

If you don't use it properly...it's still overpowered, you're just bad. :/
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You can use LICH to be overpowered, YOU CAN USE INQUISTIon to be overpowered, you can use whatever the freak skill that is worth something to be overpowered.