This is a thread about Sacrifice, not runes Narsrim. Quit trying to hijack every thread to cry about runes.

I do encourage you to learn to read and digest information before spouting off. My point was that sacrifice (the topic at hand) is more feasible for Nihilists and this is ok because Ur'guard already have uber damage and access to cheap runes to make their weapons even nastier. It is relevant.

Something just occured to me, what race were you when you performed that test?

I see that you are a dwarf at the moment, was that the case earlier?

I've always said i can sacrifice better as a nihilist and always thought of just switching classes because knights blow at the moment imo.

Anyway with Marsu i said it was lucky not because it was accidental. I've managed to sacrifice several people but they're all just lucky hits. I basically need 8-10 afflictions to manage sacrifice, I've said that at least twice before. Ecto, epilepsy, scabbies, weakness, stupidify, crucified, 4 shriveled limbs.

Problem with ur'guard and those 10 afflictions are... well this is why its not really feasible for us. Lets start with normal counters, first theres ecto which anybody should be able to clean before we can do any damage, especially ectoing means a 4 second window to cure the other afflicts required for the combo or if its done before, the time to get those 4 afflicts is a lot of time to cure ecto. Without ecto the combo is useless.

Epilepsy and scabbies, only way we can give those two afflictions is through contagion which is 2/5 chance or 40% chance you get 1 and only a 20% chance you get the other after that. Considering epilepsy and scabbies are easy to cure, that the combo doesnt have the luxury of waiting and you actually have to get those 2 in succession, it then becomes very inefficient. Now there are ways to help that which is why i work a lot on the arms by habit and use apply venoms. So i can stack and make them harder to cure hoping the epilepsy and scabbies get burried but you can go through a whole contagion without even gettign those two, what are the chances that you get them in succession with the luck of someone not curing at least one.

Stupidity and weakness arent exactly required but theyll help the lock as with shield stunning you're trying to minimize the time they have to writhe out of the cross, so weakness another ecto like hit and stupidity for the fail commands.

Now all these afflicts are very easy to cure and against an average curer it already is very difficult to stack... hell id be dumb if even a nihilist can get all 5 on me but anyway... Once you actually manage to get 3-5 of those afflicts you have to hit with the cross which is 8 power. So there's no room for error here. You hit crucify with them not having 1 of the important afflicts or them being on balance then you've just waisted 8 power and you will have to start all over again (with contagion in lichform thats already 14 power waisted).

For the shrivels i let the cross do the shrivelling for me while i stun as theres no way for me to keep track of whats shrivelled or not before that. That means though i need to buy as much time as possible which isnt that hard just have to be lucky enough that they dont get that window of opportunity to writhe out (yes it happens sometimes even at night). But the time required for the cross to do that is usually around 1 minute... fear the 1 minute instakill(not counting presetup). Also for me to check if you're sacrificable or not i have to missfire sac which drains my mana like mad.

Now heres the ultimate counter which terenas, malicia, marsu, icarus etc etc have already found out... when fighting me SIP LOVE! why? because then i have to reject them every single time or else my contagion and ecto doesnt hit and with the small window of opportunity i already have it just goes down the shitter if i have to reject every so often which makes it not a viable tactic against someone who knows what to do.

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He was a dwarf when we tested it.

So the test was further skewed by his balance penalty.

Tuek, thorgal is damn good, and alger taught him that trick and yes, its almost doable for him with the grim giving blackout so you miss the crucify.

However as an ur'guard, to even get it close to working you have to stick ectoplasm, as well as stick the contagion effects (which are random so you have no control over them until you see their symptoms)

Not only that, but bonecrusher wind is random, and guess what, if you just don't heal your gut, wind stopps happening in favour of vomit blood (like thats useful). so the ONLY way to do it as an ur'guard is to get those 2 afflictions to stick (getting those 2 afflictions from contagion one after the other is rare and random enough) AND get an ectoplasm off. then you have to get lucky with the timing of scabies or epilepsy on a crucify, and then keep them shieldstunned while on the cross and hope they don't writhe off.

The only way to get it working is to find someone who doesn't know what a liniment vials is. Heck the whole damn skill combo is totally stopped by a love potion and a apply liniment triggher when contagion hits, even if you do get ecto to stick.

There is a bug with another skill that im not gonna post here, as i dont want people doing it which steals balance for long periods of time.

Spose i could've just written 'what alger said' but....then im just being like the rest of you fools that say stuff without backing it up.

EDIT: The way you come along and say yeh no worries this skill is easy to do.....how the hell could you even come CLOSE to knowing.

Although someone did make a valid point upgrading crucify for ur'guard makes it easier for a nihilist to do. So maybe crucify writhe time should have something to do with being increased as more limbs are broken, so its doable by 2 different methods.

Isn't it a good thing I didn't suggest many changes to Necromancy, eh?

Except for Leech, damn I hate leech.

100% hijack, buuut...



Next time a Seren alters a log to say that Mother heals 200h, link back here.

Doesn't mother work as a percentage of max health? And Narsrim had over 5000.

Yes, most things do.

lovely 600 hp passive cure....


4603h, 3650m, 3340e, 7p elrxkdb-
You take a drink from a jade vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
5449h, 3650m, 3340e, 7p elrxkdb-

meanwhile I have an 800 sip....at 7k maxhealth

I had 5.9k max health at the time. The Mother heals based off a percentage of max health every 12 seconds or so.

Oh no, something is stopped by healing it!

This seems like the argument that is always presented. Guess what? Everything is stopped by healing it. That is the thing, with repeated effort, eventually they will make a critical mistake, and not heal something critical fast enough, thus allowing them to continue with their offense, leading to a kill.

With the non-specific messages presented by contagion and Demons, sacrifice is entirely possible. You also cannot always have a chance to cure ectoplasm, as it does take equilibrium afterall. You don't need them permanently off balance, all you need is them off balance for a very short period of time, with which to delay them from writhing off crucify. Thorgal should have little difficulty pulling sacrifice with the help of blackout from the Nil Grim Horror (very easy way to get ectoplasm to stick in blackout afterall).

Don't be a Dracnari. Simple as that.

What is your level and constitution?

nah that can be a regen tick hitting with a mother tick so it seems like more... it doesnt prove anything really.

edit: or maybe not hah

More then likely.

Anyway, I eat sparkleberry for more then that.

Mercy ticks for 246 on me when I'm only at 4928 health.

standing at the moment at 17 con level 76 with 18 int for surge

yes its stopped by healing it, but its rather easy to heal....thats the point.

Its too hard to make it work as an ur'guard and its too easy to heal

How the hell do you have 18 intelligence? Anyway...



Level 76, sip -2

17 con: 4480 health (Sip 494-741, 617 avg)
18 int: 4708 mana (Sip 516-774, 645 avg)
10 cha: 2884 ego (Sip 341-511, 426 avg)

Health Regen: 089, 224, 373 (Mercy: 224)
Mana Regen: 094, 235, 392 (Perfection: 235)
Ego Regen: 057, 144, 240 (Beauty: 144)

Sparkleberry: 448 health, 471 mana


That's with a level 2 sip penalty.

Without it would look like...


Level 76

17 con: 4480 health (Sip 618-926, 772 avg)
18 int: 4708 mana (Sip 645-967, 806 avg)
10 cha: 2884 ego (Sip 426-639, 532 avg)

Health Regen: 089, 224, 373 (Mercy: 224)
Mana Regen: 094, 235, 392 (Perfection: 235)
Ego Regen: 057, 144, 240 (Beauty: 144)

Sparkleberry: 448 health, 471 mana

Basically for you, a level 2 sip penalty is 150 health lost per sip. Not a huge deal.

Edit: I put in the wrong charisma values, but that doesn't really matter.