Not that easy to heal. With a bit of luck it's doable for an Ur'Guard. However, a Nihilist should be able to pull it off easier then soulless, and soulless isn't exactly considered difficult to pull off. A Nihilist shouldn't have any problem.

Small hijack: I still need a formula for Surge, so I can add it to that script.

14 int

2 for lichdom

2 for knoweldge blessing

Isn't it just your mana cut in half and added to your max health?

ok so a nihilist has to get ectoplasm on there, which can be done if you wait for just ftert ehy do a balance move.....

so they ecto, and hit you with the demon on scourge. if you're a smart chappy you trigger the demon message to apply liniment in your list just to be sure.

so lets say they crucify right after the demon hits, epilepsy and scabies take a few seconds to hit, so you could start w rtieh straight off.

If they wait for the scabies to hit, then their timing has to be faster than your apply liniment command, which is in miliseconds and comes down to ping.

not only that there's a good chance that even if they stuck all those affs, you'll still writhe out. Its a damn poor choice, the only way it can be done better is with grim.....and thats a champion pet you can't balance a class off the champion.

With hangedman, aeon, stupidity, and anorexia at their disposal, with a little work, you make your move when you see the opportunity present itself. And scabies hits nearly immediately after the affliction is given.

Ectoplasm is easier to stick then you think. They either have the choice of pretty much ceasing their offense to cure ectoplasm, or ignoring it and pressing on, choosing to hinder their opponent instead. It is much better to be on the offensive then the defensive. When you are on the defensive, that means you're losing.

I am just saying, Sacrifice is a viable option for a kill, just as much as Soulless. Hell, you could set up for a Soulless, then suddenly switch around and go for a sacrifice (especially a good idea if they try to tumble away, perfect opportunity right there). It's an option, Nihilists can do it, it isn't as impossible as everyone likes to make out, not at all.

Umm.. how? They try to tumble away, I crucify.. they finish tumbling. I waste 8 power. Yay.

i serisouly doubt a nihilist could to it to someone who can cure...

But its a lot easier for a nihilist to do it than an ur'guard. It should have 2 ways fo doing it to suit each class.....ie broken limbs before hand or balance locking

Its a "if the Nihilist gets lucky with ping, and timing, they'll pull it off" kill.

Hardly. And if someone tumbles.. you uh... follow them? They are off balance for a very long time unless they are the smallest of small (Faeling). You also have enlarge.

It seems people have this idea that insta-kills should be unavoidable. Tuek has shown that sacrifice is indeed possible, it is just not probable against a good healer. If you ever read the combat document Matt made, you will see that most of the IRE skills are intended to be that way. Two great healers in the end should really only die to a mistake made, not to an ability that has no counter to it.

Well, I'm saying that its not probable, since I would never die to it. But then again, I dont like the skill period.

Geb pretty much summed it up, people have this strange idea that instantkills should be unavoidable.

If they ARE easily avoidable - like Sacrifice, then they aren't instakills, they are neverkills. Its like - how many people would actually die to chasm if it took 12 or even 16 seconds. A big fat none, thats how many.

No one said easily avoidable, except for you. It seems you want them to be always kills. Push the button and see them die. If that is fun for you, so be it. Some people like challenges though.

Okay, since you seem not know big words, me talk in teeny ones for you.

Sacrifice not good skill cos all fings for it need to work are easy cures and blocked easy. As well as writhing so fast even for enlarge races that you will get off cross unless manage make fings stick long nuff to crucify. Unless you spend entire fight try to set up sacrifice, and in that time you could kill everyone who would actually die from it, with damage anyway.

Not to mention that to have any chance of pulling the instakill off, you need to whack a huge chunk of lessons in yet ANOTHER non-guild skill so you can shieldstun.

You really are pitiful, you know that?

We don't want an instakill that always works, Geb.

We want a skill that doesn't end up with us losing 8 power and a good 8+ seconds of equilibrium if we mis-time it by even the smallest amount.

An enlarged tae'dae writhes from crucify before I get eq back from using it.

Not if he has scabies/ectoplasm, then he never writhes, period.

Yay, I can kill enlarged Tae'Dae.. all two of them.

I don't know why I keep posting, I never use crucify anyway.

I'd much prefer Spawn get changed. Now THAT's a skill to make darkmoon/ancestral curse look good.