No, Jasper was told to leave by Knall because the Ur'Guard or Magnagoran leaders told Knall to remove him. So it isn't just anti-against-people-bashing catacombs.

And yes you can, you just have to know when to circle or pentagram.

Edit: I do think we are talking about the Orcs near the Catacomb entrance Shiri, not the ones that raid the villages.

Yea, moose are crazy strong for level 21. I'm level 54 right now and I'm still somewhat wary of them, maybe that's because of bad experiences or whatever.. but they hurt.

Mmhm. Unless you're saying you want to hit-shield-hit-shield (and still die fairly frequently) you can't do it. Maybe if you have a really high-con race or something.

Meese () don't do a lot of damage to me, and I've never got an affliction of one.

Hm. Well you have a high-con race. But I know most Elfen can't bash them for AGES. They do a TONNE of damage to most people, though they don't afflict (I think they do trip, but that's it.)

Balach Swamp, Glomdoring, maybe the Nomads, the Orcs in Shallach, the Seas, Spectres is 30-40.

The turtles in Balach Swamp were good for 21-35 for me (faeling and all) I couldnt bash rockeaters till I got a nymph...

Oleanvir valley did me to about 30.

As a master viscanti - and a mugwump - I found Spectre Isle pretty good for levels 30 to 60.

As a level 70 dracnari, of course, Astral.

As I understand it not everyone is allowed to bash on Spectre Isle, right?

Magnagorans only.

I suppose Glomdorito's might be allowed, if they asked and made spikes from the ectoplasm.

Rockeaters can be taken by knights as low as lvl 13 or so.
Moose can be taken at around 25ish without TOO much threat, unless you lag.


Oh, and Estarra - are you talking about Orclach or Orc? Aren't there both in Shallach?

You know, all these new bashing places yet i was ratting/grubbing until level 40. Spectres you can do in the 20's if you have fire vial and only attack the children ones, or take them down one at a time. I wish i could bash spectres now, they were good for Karma and decent gold, heh, 30%+ Karma for clearing them all and doing the quests.

The Magnagoran attitude of "Kill Kill Kill!! Look! It's moving! Kill it some more! We really only try to be evil and manipulate behind the sce... OH WAIT! KEEEEEEEL!" is very irritating. They kill something in an area, then get upset when someone else kills it (even when they aren't around to kill it themselves), it's really ironic.

Estarra apparently had it in mind that the Orcs would be good for level 21-40 people to hunt, yet it is impossible, since Magnagora kills those mid level novices if they go anywhere near it.

Oh, one thing I'd like to see one day (after an influence area) is a Serenwilde-based bashing area. I think we're the only org not to have one of our own to lay claim to.

Edit: The Glomdoring one isn't amazingly great, either... so maybe a commune-based area?

We had one.. it was called Glomdoring

Sure you do, i dont think the tree frogs are loyal to Serenwilde, and you got two sets of hills to the north end, same as Glom, cept we have more since we were a bashing place before a commune.

As a non pvp-er, Yes that Magnagoran attitude sucks beynod all imagination for me. Bashing is very slow (Go level 33!)

Um, I meant a bashing area. Not a newbie diversion .

It's not a big thing, because there are lots of great shared areas, but it would still be nice.

As far as I can see, in terms of who can lay claim to good bashing areas:
Magnagora - Spectre Isle, Catacombs, Shallach Ruins, Earth plane.
Celest - Water plane.
Glomdoring - Glomdoring.
Serenwilde - ?

They should have areas equivalent to Imperian sewers in every city/commune.

Basically, the Sewers each had a unique creature other then rats, depending on the city. Stavenn had mutant rats, Kinsarmar had Serpents, Antioch had Locusts, etc. All were slightly different, some teamed, some didn't, some were aggro, some were not, but they were great experience from level 40 and up, since they were so abundant, still good experience even at 75+.

I know they have Crabs and such in the Sewers of Celest? They aren't as difficult as Serpents and such were from Imperian when I remember bashing them, nor as abundant. Serenwilde could use a sewer like equivalent, heh.

Actually, come to think of it, this isn't a very good idea. Ignore me.