It just goes to show you that Christianity has just as many crazed radicals as any other religion. Out there, giving all the rest of us normal Christians a bad name.

I genuinely, genuinely cannot stand people who protest about stuff like this. They are -far- worse then the "problems" they complain about.

They protested Matthew Sheperd's Funeral!? Wasn't he that kid who was beat to death for being homosexual? That has to be illegal somewhere!
All this, and STILL the government won't let me bountyhunt wifebeaters with a lazersight longbow... where is the love?

You mean Nayl... not Nyla

I'm not going to go around supporting any of those signs in those pictures or implications of them, however, I find the hypocrasy/double standards astounding. And not of the people holding the signs but of the people commenting on them.


First, your saying 'don't hate me because of my own personal choices' yet you turn around and hate people for expressing thier opinion on something. These people think that god hates gay people. Why do you care if they think that? Why can't these people stand on a street corner and express thier opinions just like gay people can stop city traffic and march down the street to announce to the world that they are people too? ARe wierdos on a streat corner some new authority in religious practice that I'm suddenly unaware of?

Added to that... The first 5 books of moses says twice that Male on Male homesexual acts are 'an abomination' although that translation is really bad... its would be better translated as 'not in the normal path of natural actions' Assume Teva here means nature as oppsed to meaing ark like it does elsewhere. In which case it would mean, 'not in the normal actions of the ark.' So the people on the streat corner have some textual basis. These people care about what you do in your bedroom just as much as they care about weather or not you believe in Jesus. The concept is caled rebuke. Do what you can to people to make them see the 'error' of thier beliefs and actions and bring them closer to thier eternal salvation.

I DON'T see these people going around telling people to kill or maim folks who are hated by god, or anything else of the nature.

I do however see people telling other people what they can and can not say in public via a sign.

Atleast in America, when the KKK and the Neo Nazi's wanted to march in celebration of Hitler's birthday in Skoki which has a large Jewish population... nobody was allowed to stop them from thier freedom of speach.


Lastly... I see you people are all insulted that children are there, but nobody is ever insulted when children are used as weapons to ACTUALLY hurt and kill other people. Then its a sign of how 'destute and oppressed' people are that they have to resort to the use of thier children to get thier point across. Yet when it comes to peacefull albeit annoying signs it has none of those connotations of people feeling as if they are becoming an oppressed majority. (yes it is possible when your not the 'true' majority)


I have a feeling that people will stop caring about what someone does in thier bedroom, when said people stop annoucning in public what that is. During the 70s and 80s there were many homesexuals on T.V. as charachters, many gay and lesbian couples adopting and a general non discussion about the issue. But now I'm just ranting.

What really got me mad was the national newspapers calling white religous folk 'lynch mobs' when to me the 'lynch mobs' are white Secularist folk seeing any sign of someone's personal faith as the downfall of the world. Please explain to me the difference between someone announcing what they do in the privacy of thier bedroom and what somone accouning what they do in the privacy of thier brain?


When Baptists, Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims and Mormons are all agreeing on something... It is NOT religious fundementalism taking over the country. Those are all DIFFERENT religions, the only similarity is that they think people should be allowed to have a faith and express it in public.

If people only said what we wanted to hear there wouldnt be freedom of speech.

I'd be fine with expressing faith in public, if I weren't sure I'd be discriminated against for expressing Pagan beliefs. It's fine when Christians, Jews, or Muslims (though Jews and Muslims get plenty of crap for it anyway) do it, because they are widely recognized and have huge followings. Try doing the same when the majority of people think you're evil.

I find it appalling that you would compare a public display of opinion to the killing of civilians who dissagree with your political point of view.

All the Radical secularlists that I know were much more harmfull to people than a few people standing on a sidewalk with streat signs. (Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Col Pot, Sadam Huseim (Remeber, people were saying that Sadam should not be a target because he wasn't a religious muslim), Those leaders in south america...)


Get some perspective.

First of Dags, I am insulted when children are used as weapons. We Americans need a nerf on the FoS skillset...
Just because you can say something doesn't mean you need to though...So you hate OtherSexuals... wear a T-shirt, but come on Dag.. protesting a FUNERAL!?

Never said they couldn't express their opinion. Just that I dislike the opinion they are expressing. I never actually -gave- my opinion on gays or whatever. My only point was that I personally view those people protesting as more of a problem then the problems they protest about. Because while a gay person is not hurting anyone by being gay, those people protesting are victimising an entire group of people.

This is the sort of point I think that "Freedom of Speech" is less important than "Not Generally Being Stupid and Making Other People Miserable." If two men doing something together where it in no way affects you is grounds for holding protests and generally doing your best to hurt them and insult them then I think that said pair of men have every right to tell you to STFU.

It happens a lot. I never get any misses for Nyla but.
Guess I'm more popular, or something

Ever gone to NY? Do you know how many crazy lunatics stand on streat corners professing any sort of belief? From, Malcom X was a Jewish conspiracy, to Elvis is Jesus, to Nake Guitar man. It doesn't matter.


If it was Just 2 men in the bedrom nobodyw would be talking. but its not just two men. Its traffic being stopped for a parade, ballot options being all over the elections to change what people have felt was the only stable thing in thier society. etc. etc. If I know what you are doing in your bedroom, then its not 'just in the bedroom anymore'

I'm so sorry... I do the same thing to Shiro and Shiribot, and Silv and Solvanis... *thwap me*
I wonder about American Freedom of Speech...
In Thailand I was told point back I don't have it here, I can say anything I want... but people won't look highly on me for it. If I said "The King Sucks" on the street...I wouldn't get arressted... but people would clearly be offended, and I would not make any friends...
It's kind of the same thing here, You can only hide behind the First Amendment until it steps on someone eleses rights. Mrs. Ryan's quote in my other post is 100% true I think.

You arent always going to like what people have to say, and you dont have to. But you do have to let them say it. Every year Preacher Jeb comes to the University of Oklahoma to tell us we are all going to hell for going to college. Even his wife stands up and preaches saying that all sorority girls are sluts and fraternities are alcoholics and rapists. Do I agree with him. NO... but he is allowed to say what the hell he feels.

I don't see any signs protesting about people stopping traffic to make announcements. I'm fairly sure there are far more people (as I've actually seen them) who stand in the middle of squares in Lincoln and Boston etc. and yell about Christianity and how everyone is a sinner etc. etc. That's far worse. They're not complaining about them.

And to say that they're actually protesting about people ANNOUNCING it all the time is rather ridiculous. They're not. They're complaining about the act. It being a sin. And so forth.

As a seperate note, If you were to follow your own logic about what to say and what not to say in public, you would have to not express your opinions about homosexuality being normal, because that obviously offends a whole culture of people who belive strongly otherwise. So Strongly infact that the feel the need to organize and create protests and have rally that goes from college campus to college campus to say a one liner over and over again.

I see more hatred against people who believe in thier own religion than against people who have expressed thier bedroom intrests. Many more people have died for thier religious beliefs than thier sexual orientation. And protesting a funeral is nothing compared to actually descrating the body of someone at a funeral or killing the people attending the funeral... both which have happened. (although thank god, it was not in the U.S.)

Okay, "God Hates Fags" is understandable from this sort of ignorant, reactionary protestant filth. But look at the website (godhatesfags.com) and apparently God Hates Swedes too.

Wait... Swedes? You mean the ones from Sweden with the liberal government, nice hair, death metal and no gay marriage?
WHAT
THE
FU...NDAMENTALIST CRAP IS GOING ON HERE?

Quoth Slayer; "God hates us all"

*goes and bangs head into wall*

Not mine mind you, Phelps.

Well I am so far beyond biased on that issue Dag. 90% of my friends are Transgender and my poor friend just got taken to the hospital because some punk pharmacist refuses to give her her hormone medicine, because he feels it's wrong for her to want to make herself what her brain has told her all her life.
Also, yea... i can't wait until everything in the country says "Male-Female-Transgender" and all the gender barriers are gone, and clothes become more androgenous.
And how can you say we are wrong for saying we dont think they should be able to do that with them signs, when you said the othersexuals can't have parades for their culture and life?