Fun with Minor Characters

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Richter2005-07-18 17:27:30
I thought it was rather silly. I mean, beer elementals?

Also, I'm not a fan of creating a character a day, and ticking people off with them.

And I edited Stangmar's post.
Stangmar2005-07-18 17:33:59
I also edited Stangmar's post.
Unknown2005-07-18 17:35:03
Hijack: Richter, where is that Matt quote from? :/Hijack

While the method is wrong, Stangmar, I full-heartedly agree with the spirit of the message.
Gwylifar2005-07-18 17:35:29
I've had a running joke in the forums and IRC since before Glomdoring about how Gaudiguch and Hallifax will really turn out to have pastamancers and cheeseomancers. And that's precisely where jokes like that belong (if indeed they belong anywhere). Not in the game.
Unknown2005-07-18 17:41:55
QUOTE(Gwylifar @ Jul 18 2005, 12:35 PM)
I've had a running joke in the forums and IRC since before Glomdoring about how Gaudiguch and Hallifax will really turn out to have pastamancers and cheeseomancers.  And that's precisely where jokes like that belong (if indeed they belong anywhere).  Not in the game.
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Agreed. Let us laugh at them as people. In game, we're trying (oft times feebly) to maintain a well-structured RP environment. Jokes like this are simply unappreciated.
Unknown2005-07-18 19:13:22
I can definately say that making a character just to flagrently ignore orders given by superiors in the guild is not going to make you well liked anywhere. Even if it seems silly to you, an order is an order. Waiting for them to log off so you can disobey...yeah. And that doesn't get you well-received elsewhere either.

If you must make a character for fun and just playing around...try to use some sense, and make sure that it is something that would be appreciated by the people that are busting their asses to try to get a good RP base into the game. It would be much more enjoyed, and get you kudos not smacked down. And would likely be just as much fun.
Unknown2005-07-18 23:03:25
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The problem with "casual roleplay" as you describe it, is that certain types of uncaring and goofy behaviour (such as for example your "beer elementals") really are quite ludicrous and deduct from the overal credibility of the game as a whole.


I understand what you are saying, but if that's the case, why does Lusternia have stuff like Rickee Tavitail (sp?), or stuff like Stabbington Bear, the Psychotic Teddy? It looks like you are least allow for some whimsy. If you're gonna go all serious, why have those elements. I can't understand why that can be tolerated but making a post regarding Beer Elementals, while the delusions of a crazy dwarf, is any less potent. This wasn't meant to be stupidity like "The Order of the Pancake".

I think there is room for some whimsy. Think of the following. Merry and Pippin. Kender, Gnomes, and Gully Dwarves. The Disney Sidekicks that work with the main characters. Xanth. Fantasy does have humor guys. Considering Yor spent some time with the godly pets sitting in Raezon's stomach, I think the GMs at least share this view.

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For example, if in today's biological society someone would offer the suggestion that beer might actually be alive and follow the same evolutionary rules as other biological organisms, he would get some very odd looks before he would kindly be requested to stop wasting everyone's time and perhaps go outside and watch the birds twitter.


That's what happened, but in a fantasy universe, I would more expect Vito to be seen like those who believe in UFOs. Fringe Alchemy, don't you know. How do YOU know there aren't any Beer Elementals. Sort of the Urban Legend. Or at least tall tales.

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I can definately say that making a character just to flagrently ignore orders given by superiors in the guild is not going to make you well liked anywhere.


Just to clarify, Wanda wasn't meant to be a joke. I wouldn't spend credits on that type of character, no would create one to be contrary. At first, it was given to me as a suggestion, and I stopped because it wasn't worded as an "official guild order", so I though she was just concerned. When I got the warning tell, I stopped completely. But that turned me off to the guild.

That and the fact Anna couldn't easilly rejoin Serenwilde. (Kind of jarring since Anna gave several early members 50 or 100 credits before she departed, you'd think they'd remember random acts of kindness--unless most of them departed sleep.gif )

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If you must make a character for fun and just playing around...try to use some sense, and make sure that it is something that would be appreciated by the people that are busting their asses to try to get a good RP base into the game.


Well, Vito was kind of funny, at least getting Arix involved as well as the GMs who made the tutors speak to be, even if it was the disappointing "Beer isn't an element". laugh.gif
Richter2005-07-18 23:07:14
We all gave Bricriu crap for making Stabbington, and she eventually changed her pet.
Gregori2005-07-18 23:16:59
Arix is not exactly the pinnacle of good credibility when it comes to things ranked among the stupidity of players. You would have almost as much luck using Munsia as a character witness.

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And the admins getting involved is not always a good thing. It is a double edged sword. They could be getting involved to have fun with someone who rps, or they could be getting involved to subtely give you the hint you are about to be deleted if you don't knock it off
Malicia2005-07-18 23:17:28
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We all gave Bricriu crap for making Stabbington, and she eventually changed her pet.


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Unknown2005-07-18 23:38:18
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We all gave Bricriu crap for making Stabbington, and she eventually changed her pet.


You can't really tell based on the number of paintings of him.
Richter2005-07-18 23:41:55
Maybe if you talked to Bricriu...?

And those should all decay, eventually.
Shamarah2005-07-18 23:51:43
QUOTE(Phred @ Jul 18 2005, 07:03 PM)
That's what happened, but in a fantasy universe, I would more expect Vito to be seen like those who believe in UFOs.  Fringe Alchemy, don't you know.   How do YOU know there aren't any Beer Elementals.  Sort of the Urban Legend.  Or at least tall tales.
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No, it's not like that at all. Declaring that there are "beer elementals" is more like declaring that bananas are actually sentient creatures that talk to each other when we're not there and are secretly plotting to kill us all. It's not just believing in the bizarre but semi-demi-believable like UFOs, but the kind of thing that'd get you thrown into a mental hospital.

And as Gregori said, Arix isn't exactly the best person to weigh your credibility with. I can guarantee you that far more people were annoyed by your character than found him amusing.
Gregori2005-07-18 23:53:20
You mean... they aren't plotting to kill us?
Richter2005-07-19 00:06:43
No, they are. I Argh Peed it last night, and was going to make a public post about it when I slipped on a peel and died.

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Unknown2005-07-19 00:19:34
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It's not just believing in the bizarre but semi-demi-believable like UFOs, but the kind of thing that'd get you thrown into a mental hospital.


That was kind of the point. And it's still a fantasy universe, with furrikin and general weirdness. How do you know what elements exist. It's mostly in the eye of the beholder. Those Harry Potter books are doing something right. I would hate to see an anti-whimsy policy passed here.

You don't think those stainless steel goats are funny? biggrin.gif

To be a bit more serious, there was one thing I just noticed.

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As for Wanda, I cannot begin to express how irritating it was to listen to Ibaesha complain about the stool erected in her shop that clashed with the room description and had NO purpouse being there.


Okay, so let me get this straight: Because one of the stools, which I thought was being nice to create, was in her shop, she used her power as Commune leader to enemy me from the commune? Why not just ask me what my intensions were? She didn't even explain why she was mad, so I had no chance to apologize!

Wow--I hope other people aren't subjected to such unfair abuses of power.
Shamarah2005-07-19 00:26:36
QUOTE(Phred @ Jul 18 2005, 08:19 PM)
That was kind of the point.  And it's still a fantasy universe, with furrikin and general weirdness.  How do you know what elements exist.  It's mostly in the eye of the beholder.  Those Harry Potter books are doing something right.  I would hate to see an anti-whimsy policy passed here.


No, it's annoying because there's absolutely no reason anyone would actually do something like that. This is an RP world, and doing idiotic stuff like that totally breaks the atmosphere. I'm not an intense RPer, but I can at least respect those who are and that come here for the immersion and depth. It makes sense for stuff on Astral to be contorted, if you actually read the histories/documentation about it.

QUOTE(Phred @ Jul 18 2005, 08:19 PM)
To be a bit more serious, there was one thing I just noticed.
Okay, so let me get this straight:  Because one of the stools, which I thought was being nice to create, was in her shop
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Yet another example of what I was saying. In real life, would anyone walk into a random shop and put a piece of furniture there for no reason and with no explanation, and then leave? If it makes no sense IRL, it makes no sense IG.

(Commune enemying you for just that, however, is a bit much.)
Gregori2005-07-19 00:30:57
Actually she told you to leave the Commune first, and I keep telling people when it comes to enemy status. Leaders can enemy you because you have purple hair and braces if they really want to. There is no Lusternia Policy on enemy reasons.It is the discretion of the Org to decide if what you did should be an offense.

You were enemied however not for just putting it in her shop, but putting them in multiple shops without being asked. Essentially littering with something that could not, until Estarra put in the ability, be removed. How do we stoip you from doing it again? We enemy you so you can't come in and continue.
Arundel2005-07-19 00:31:31
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jul 18 2005, 08:26 PM)
If it makes no sense IRL, it makes no sense IG.
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Only as far as logic goes. Most people can't take a sword to the chest.
Shamarah2005-07-19 00:33:04
QUOTE(Arundel @ Jul 18 2005, 08:31 PM)
Only as far as logic goes. Most people can't take a sword to the chest.
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We have to allow some suspension of disbelief for things like combat, but that's no reason we should allow more than we have to. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Actually she told you to leave the Commune first, and I keep telling people when it comes to enemy status. Leaders can enemy you because you have purple hair and braces if they really want to. There is no Lusternia Policy on enemy reasons.It is the discretion of the Org to decide if what you did should be an offense.

You were enemied however not for just putting it in her shop, but putting them in multiple shops without being asked. Essentially littering with something that could not, until Estarra put in the ability, be removed. How do we stoip you from doing it again? We enemy you so you can't come in and continue.


Ah, okay then.