Tuek, I don't need to have an alt with drawdown to know that number is just outright false. 15%? Pfft.

Or, you know what, maybe. It's aura + drawdown + whateverelseyouhavethatsoftenscosmicfire. That's 60%. Terenas takes 40% of the cosmicfire damage that Murphy does. And you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Murphy has inept magic.

He also didn't mention the health drain of putrefaction on his list which brings it below 33%, way below as of recently. But then we all know Anonymous' propensity for fair and productive argument.

And, wait, now that I think about it, Murphy probably had draconis up. Yeah, it's minor, but that means that Terenas takes LESS than 40% of the intended damage.

hahaha sorry mate hate to do this to ya

Magic Inept Arcana

Wow. It's just not my day. Mysterious aquamancers with anorexia that turns out to not be a rune, my two numen tests clocked it at 30 sec and turned out to be a fluke, and to top it all off, this arti whore has inept magic.

I hate you all.

I could have told you he has inept magic.

And cosmicfire is cosmicfire. It sucks. Period. You won't kill me with cosmicfire alone whem I'm undeffed.

I kill twice as many people with cosmicfire as absolve. It's karma.

looking at putrefaction as an overall 33% reduction is just being simplistic considering that it has a health upkeep. When you tank a warrior the objective is to not get hit and when you're taking damage from your own skill when you actually dodge blows I consider that as a negative. Considering that the range of damage in Lusternia is high, fighters are likely to maintain a high health buffer before considering themselves in dangerzones... of course now trying to maintain a higher health buffer also means necros recieve more damage from their own defensive skill... thats not good.

no, I dont think its justified, but it makes life more challenging, I accept it and work with it till we can envoy it again in the future.. Yes i'm a bit naffed about it, but i'm going to reerve my judgement once the rest of the changes come in. I don't care about me vs other knights, cause currently there aren't any in the other 2 guilds who can beat me reliably

I don't see you kill many people in general. But like I said, I can handle the damage of any cosmicfire while undeffed. It's just that bad. In fact, all magic based damage is that bad. Transcendent magic is a flat 25% magic damage reduction. In my opinion, it should be dropped to 15%, but include the elemental damage types. 15% damage reduction is equal to a Level 1 resistance. The mini-skills in other realms gave a level 1 resistance to that damage type at transcendent.

Man what do you people want? every class to be exactly the same as every other class? why don't we just give every class a 15% reduction skill at trans, a skill that does exactly 1000 damage at master, and an instakill dependant on being at half mana at Fabled? I guess that would solve all the balance complaints huh?

Seriuosly Putre was a situational skill as it was, now it's a useless skill as no warrior is going to kill you with damage, except runed ones, and runed ones aren't affected much by putre (Granted this might change soon). It also makes little sense as putre has never really been the target of much complaining on either side, at least not publicly, and we've always been told that complaining about other archtype's skills is not something that should be done in an envoy report.

and Envoys are people, people are often wrong, therefore Envoys are often wrong right? so I can't see much sense in the our envoy asked for it reasoning

Putre is 7-8 secs, or at least, I counted that consistently.

I'd prefer a power cost too, in exchange for putre the way it was.

Either that, or make it tick every 15 seconds or so

And who was it who was saying we whine... Laneth?

Mag morale as far as upgrades and downgrades are concerned has actually been pretty low. I think most of us actually expect to be downgraded more than upgraded, maybe unnecessarily. And we HAVE lost a lot of people to this kind of thing. I love Luste, I've tried to leave for ooc reasons, but I usually end up finding myself in the Magnagoran kitchens wielding my spatula and dreaming of furrikin recipes. Still, it's disheartening.

I don't know if we're really being treated unfairly, but it honestly feels that way, especially since some of us see so much unused potential in other skillsets, and see them upgraded even more, while we utilise what we have, and seemingly get nerfed for our troubles.

What Alger said was true, I think if Seren and Celest had the same amount of people as Mag who utilise their skills properly, rather than just Tuek, Narsrim, Malicia, Amaru, so on and so forth, Mag wouldn't stand a chance. I have to admit I'm lousy at pvp, but I think I don't die all that much *shifty* and there are lots in Mag who are better than me.

The other time on Eth... it was just me, Alger, Eiru, Murphy and Revan, who left after a bit, and Kaervas, who was wandering around killing whatshername... Butter blabla, that denizen you give cakes or something to, vs. at least 13 Seren, who wouldn't step outside their guards and statues, cept for Laysus, who is strangely resistant to beckon and kept sprinting in then leaping back to safety, and they wouldn't come out. Alger had to go in alone instead to barge some people out. I think if they'd rushed us, we'dve died or scattered, then they could have started working on breaking Kaervas' demesne. I think it was.. Gregori, Munsia, Nejii, Laysus, Skyla(?), more Seren, more Seren, and some little Celestians.

Putre would have been useless against all of them. In fact, it would have just hurt us more.

Incidentally, that "13 Seren" consisted of 5 novices, 3 people who have never fought and don't have the skills to do so (i.e Tsuki, who has about Pixie in Wicca and one health vial, or whatever) and then those 5 you mentioned, Gregori, Laysus, Skyla, Munsia and I, who have NO WAY to beat a serpented Alger plus you, Revan, Murphy, Eiru, Kaervas, Kaervas' demesne, and at one point Thorgal. Even WITH Morik's help. If you're trying to say Skyla is as good a fighter as Revan, me as good a fighter as Alger, Laysus as good as Kaervas, etc., PLUS having to deal with stun, broken legs, and Geomancer farts, you're sorely mistaken. You can't just throw numbers at a problem like that, it doesn't work.

EDIT: To compare: It'd be like saying Aragrot, Stangmar and (someone reasonably not awful) Torak should be able to team up and kill Tuek. I sprinted in by accident () and die to shieldstun, taintwyrm, block, hangedman and knockdown was dead before I could DO anything. So...sorry, that example is definitely not workable. If those 13 Seren had been all as good fighters as you lot, yes.

You burrowed in, you didn't sprint in

I sprinted in once, burrowed in another time.

I have no problem with complaining if it is done in a respectful manner but honestly, people are acting like spoilt brats. It is not just Magnagora that does it. I was saying that making threats to run away isn't endearing anyone to your cause (and yes, Alger did say that people had been thinking of leaving).

Other organisations have put up with less-than-great skills for a while too, you know? Moon wasn't exactly sitting on the side of greatness before the changes, now I consider it at least better (shafts is a wonderful skill).

Yeah, you guys have been nerfed, but don't go around saying that the admin are all against you. Why would they be? They want the game to be roughly balanced so every organisation and guild has it's own strengths and weaknesses but is pertty much on a level playing field. If they are making tweaks it is for the greater-good and if they tweak something wrong or tweak it too much there are better ways to complain about it than some of the stuff seen here and in the irc chat room.

That's my point, Nejii

You all have lots more people, and great skills, but you don't utilize them

We worked to get the skills, and learned to use them (at least, they did *shifty* I'm still lousy).

I've never bought otherworldly credits, neither has Alger and probably lots more other Mags, so it's not like we've done anything no one else has.

And Laneth, dude, read properly, I said it feels like it, but I don't know if it's actually happening!

Moon was actually pretty good, when put in conjuction with totems. At least, Tuek and Narsrim make it look effortless. *shifty* Moonbeam in, icewall here, icewall there, moonburst, moonburst, Jad = corpse. If they get into trouble, icewall here, icewall there, leap, leap, they don't even need tumble... not to mention they're creative with their tankiness, they were killing Demon Lords, for crying out loud. I hate praising them, but they are so far the most competent Serens I've seen.

We don't have great skills, we have usable skills, which most of those people DID NOT HAVE. Your example, as my point was, was flawed and unusable because you're trying to argue that we have skills we're not using based on a bunch of novices who didn't actually HAVE the skills you're talking about in the first place, and thus we stood no chance of winning.

shiri, that is hardly out fault that you dont attract enough players who can fight, and certainly no excuse to upgrade. Imagine if me daevos alger thorgal eiru silvanus and kaervas went into serenwilde? It'd be seriously unfair, why? cause we could all raid villages, get away easy and then not be able to be raided in return. We'd also probably have every village.

The point is, saying we're a strong city because we have overpowered skills is fallacious. There are so many more factors to consider and the points do not necessarly relate to each other. The given example of Jadryga, and Nejii's explanation of the situation just proves it. They have 13 we have 4-6, the reason we could fight them isnt because our skills are too strong in comparison to theirs, the main reason is, as Nejii states, they're not experienced fighters.

btw nejii that was her point i believe... its not that our skills are better its just that we can actually use them as opposed to your force where they cant even use them because they dont got the lessons or whatever reason.