That honestly wasn't needed murphy.

Obtaining spores requires two people. Just like Empressing takes two people. It's a valid comparison, both have one slight advantage over the other. Spores only require someone else to get the original spore for a Serenguard, whereas Empress requires a Nihilist to be available. However, you can't be too afflicted in order to snort, whereas all you have to do is be able to get a tell through (which nothing is going to stop) in order to get empressed.

And the downgrade to putrefaction very lightly affects the Nihilists like I said. You just happened to be unlucky, having a higher then average health. You'll probably also hate to hear that almost all damage is based on max health as well, so the more health you have, the more you take. My condolences go out to you.

and shiro you can't whore numen beause you want to have 10 power for trueheal....i've seen you treuheal on a broken arm before....

Tuek, I can't believe you just compared the need for two people to have spores to the need for two people to be able to be empressed...
Tell me you don't mean that?
And if you do, you just lost a little more credibility
No, don't take that seriously about the credibility thing, I don't really mean it.
But about me being unlucky for having health, everyone who bashes will eventually have that much health, do you mean we should stop gaining levels now just to make putrefaction useful?

The previous time's we have fought, I have truehealed because of something that went wrong with my system. The problem is now fixed.

Read what I said in detail. I said it takes two people to obtain spores, though they don't need to actually be there. That is the advantage it has over Empress. However, Empress has the advantage over Spores being if the Nihilist is available, you need nothing more then to be able to get a single tell out, whereas spores requires you to be in a rather unafflicted state. Therefore, they come out about equal in usefulness. (For a Serenguard/Ur'Guard looking at their options).

Just one more off topic post, if I seemed like a jerk, then I apologize.. Back on topic now!

No, you're implying that spores and empress are at the same level of usefulness, that might be true if, like I said, the "magical defenses" around a city/commune or it's territories do not stop that. Also, I forget, but does a monolith in the room you're snorting from stop you? Or just at the other end?
Also do not forget that you need to be lusted to the person, and sometimes if, say, you just had a duel with them in the arena, and both of you forgot about it, there's no way you're getting empressed, obviously.

Just part of the damage is based on max health, isn't it? And it's max health, it's constant. Not like current health, when you're gonna try to balance it somehow to keep your health high enough not to die but low enough not to get hit bad by your own defense.

Heh, you can't compare spores and lust/empress. Spores can be pre-meditated, you get a bunch of spores from a circle, and keep them til you need them. They poof after a few days, well, get more! They're all over the place at the moment. Lust/empress requires a Nihilist present whom you are lusted to. If there's a Nihilist, but you're not lusted to them, they can't get you. If there are no Nihilists, it's just not gonna happen.

Trueheal doesn't whisk them away, nope, but it does cure all their afflicts and give them a nearly(I don't know what attacks go through, but I'm assuming Tuek does) impenetrable barrier from under which they can heal themselves. Lichdom requires that you die in the first place. No experience loss, but you're still dead. Have an eye sigil handy, and you get one freshly liched fellow with absolutely no defs and 0 power. Chop, chop, true death. Almost happened to me before, except they weren't paying attention, so I liched, and tumbled out before they realised what happened.

Ghost... if you're heavily afflicted, it stays. I've learned this the hard way. You can't ghost through closed doors, you can't travel over water. I've tried to ghost out of fights before, but sometimes I'd be afflicted with... something, (frozen or paralyzed maybe, didn't pay attention, bleh) so I couldn't move. Another time, I happened to ghost out of a situation where I got beckoned into water without breathe or walk. I couldn't swim as a ghost, they refused to move, I was running out of willpower, so I had a choice, come back and die, or run out of willpower and die. My fault for not putting up walk, but I'm just pointing one of the limitations out.

And what nonsense, that putre doesn't affect Nihilists much? It's not like they don't fight knights or they don't bash.

Tuek, I could write out a long and venomous post on what I think of your claims on how this doesn't affect Nihilists so much when it hurts us more than the Ur'guard, but to be frank, I'm tired, and it's obvious this thread is filled with people more concerned about their skills staying upgraded than being balanced, or use one good thing someone else has while somehow forgetting to mention the inherent advantages they have over others.

I'll cut to the chase - you are not a Nihilist, and you don't know how this affects us. This hurt us bad, very badly, much more than the ur'Guard, because our other skills were only cosmetically changed or slightly altered, or, following popular theme, downgraded. But when I cannot feel anger because our members quit the guild to switch to another with better skills, or, the realms alltogether, I'm not a happy nihilist.

What Drago did wasn't smart, but we shouldn't have to pay for it. We had a few nice ideas that were hardly overpowered at all, some only for RP value in fact(such as being able to call any type of thrall available, instead of say, an archdemon) that were all turned down.

Perhaps we haven't had enough time to look over everything - and it's nice the admin do look over reports, and take the time to implement these sort of things. I just wish a little more thought had been put into nihilist upgrades if necromancy HAD to be smashed so hard. We were already the weaker end of guardian/wiccan class - now we're behind, and the others of it WAY ahead.

Monoliths stop spores.

Empress can be used to great affect. I'm surprised I haven't seen more of it here. Being able to escape with a mere tell is a large asset.

Entirely based on 10% of CURRENT health. Or 300 base damage. Whichever is higher.

Empress is also stopped by monoliths.

I was talking about damage skills which you pointed that are also based on max health, not about putrefaction.

I've been referring solely to putrefaction. I don't care about the other changes. If you have less then 3k health, the putrefaction does in fact, hardly affect you at all. Period. 240-300 is not a world-ending change. Most Nihilists are hovering just about 3k health. How much health do you have Bricriu?

And Bricriu, you are in no position to say what classes are strong, and which are weak. You don't fight, never have, and probably never will, in any realm. You don't understand the concepts at work.

*points to her previous post*

Spores do not require both people PRESENT. It's a nice, portable, travel version of lust/empress. I've collected 81 spores from mushroom circles all over the blasted place, and I've got no direct access to a moon/shadowdancer.

While lust/empress can pick you up even if you're heavily afflicted, it requires BOTH people present.

Both have their pros and cons, but you can't compare them.

You're not listening, or reading, whichever you prefer.
How do I empress someone that's in a territory under the protection of an enemy city/commune?
You have seen it a lot during the days that this was not the case, but now it's just useless for most practical reasons.
You can't jump in a city, have fool up, and lust someone, hermit and empress anymore, for example.
It's just to summon your friends and cuddle and huddle mostly these days, or for use on the astral plane.
Also both being ghost and liched, I have experienced being hit by demesne effects, like freezing , and when we do lich and come back to life, we're off equilibrium.

Right, they are. They have a base damage, and then an additional amount based on max.

Are you saying empressing your friend out who is in a hostile city, or empressing out a foe you just jumped in a hostile city?