Eiru2005-05-20 14:55:23
So basically now we need to make sure we're at 3k health so that it becomes a usefull skill, which, in some cases, requires only one pulp and a combo to die to, which has happened to me even when I was at 4k HP, and had putrefaction up.
Bricriu2005-05-20 14:56:49
QUOTE(Anonymous @ May 20 2005, 10:50 AM)
I've been referring solely to putrefaction. I don't care about the other changes. If you have less then 3k health, the putrefaction does in fact, hardly affect you at all. Period. 240-300 is not a world-ending change. Most Nihilists are hovering just about 3k health. How much health do you have Bricriu?
And Bricriu, you are in no position to say what classes are strong, and which are weak. You don't fight, never have, and probably never will, in any realm. You don't understand the concepts at work.
And Bricriu, you are in no position to say what classes are strong, and which are weak. You don't fight, never have, and probably never will, in any realm. You don't understand the concepts at work.
121599
Putrefaction alone was one of our saving graces - sadly, demonscales is no where near on par with, say, halo. *growl*
As for me, I have usually around 3.5k health - which means I'm going to get 350 a tic, in addition to not having skills particularly geared towards defense. Celestines claimed that, as is fairly obvious with halo, numen, trueheal....etc etc. Sadly, they have better offense, too.
As for my position, you can frankly get stuffed. I have every right to look over my own skills and say what I think is not balanced, or fair. I may not enjoy fighting, but I know if I ever wanted to do so, I could bother learning to fight. You being a jerk is not going to change the fact that what happened here is not exactly fair, and that we are going to object to the fact it happened.
Thaddeus2005-05-20 14:57:30
Putre was godly before, heh. I'd prefer the old putre over numen any day. The power waste for numen was stupid and it lasted for such a short time. I agree they nerfed up putre down to nil and back, but it was too good before. Maybe if they woulda cut the resistance putre gave instead of doing whatever they just did to it now woulda been good.
By the way, what does the new putre do? Someone put up a log of it while activated?
By the way, what does the new putre do? Someone put up a log of it while activated?
Unknown2005-05-20 15:00:04
QUOTE(Jadryga @ May 20 2005, 04:51 AM)
*points to her previous post*
Spores do not require both people PRESENT. It's a nice, portable, travel version of lust/empress. I've collected 81 spores from mushroom circles all over the blasted place, and I've got no direct access to a moon/shadowdancer.
While lust/empress can pick you up even if you're heavily afflicted, it requires BOTH people present.
Both have their pros and cons, but you can't compare them.
Spores do not require both people PRESENT. It's a nice, portable, travel version of lust/empress. I've collected 81 spores from mushroom circles all over the blasted place, and I've got no direct access to a moon/shadowdancer.
While lust/empress can pick you up even if you're heavily afflicted, it requires BOTH people present.
Both have their pros and cons, but you can't compare them.
121600
Apparently you have very easy access to spores. 81 of them? I assure you, no Serenguard has that many. How many people in Serenwilde can Empress others? 0. We have no access to Empress.
Unknown2005-05-20 15:00:06
Could someone tell me how exactly does halo work and why was putrefaction so godly compared to it?
Eiru2005-05-20 15:00:06
Putrefaction now makes your health deteriorate at a rate of 10% of your current health, and a minimum of 300 if you reach 3k or below, which means you don't want it up if you're surged because that would just get you killed.
Murphy2005-05-20 15:01:34
6238h, 1738m, 3240e, 7p lrxkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
5615h, 1738m, 3240e, 7p lrxkdb-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
5615h, 1738m, 3240e, 7p lrxkdb-
Bricriu2005-05-20 15:02:00
QUOTE(Thaddeus @ May 20 2005, 10:57 AM)
Putre was godly before, heh. I'd prefer the old putre over numen any day. The power waste for numen was stupid and it lasted for such a short time. I agree they nerfed up putre down to nil and back, but it was too good before. Maybe if they woulda cut the resistance putre gave instead of doing whatever they just did to it now woulda been good.
By the way, what does the new putre do? Someone put up a log of it while activated?
By the way, what does the new putre do? Someone put up a log of it while activated?
121607
If Putre was Godly, I'd hate to have to think of a word for Halo.
Halo - 25ish% ALL AROUND damage reduction, doesn't hurt you as you use it.
Putre - 30ish% physical damage, along with tics that hurt you.
If anything, Halo needed to be downgraded - not putre.
Eiru2005-05-20 15:02:39
81 or 5, how many do you need to get away and restock?
Thorgal2005-05-20 15:04:56
I'm just gonna wait untill all the envoy changes have been implemented before I form an opinion.
Unknown2005-05-20 15:05:34
I can't wait for more changes!
Unknown2005-05-20 15:07:44
QUOTE(Eiru @ May 20 2005, 05:00 AM)
Putrefaction now makes your health deteriorate at a rate of 10% of your current health, and a minimum of 300 if you reach 3k or below, which means you don't want it up if you're surged because that would just get you killed.
121610
Wouldn't get you killed. Once it started ticking down, each successive tick would be for less. Once you drop lower, it'll be going for less.
Anyway, I'd like to point out, a 4200 health Viscanti regenerates 560 each regeneration tick in taint with mercy, whereas putrefaction would tick for 420. If a Viscanti is surged for 6k, they'd regenerate about 800 per tick in taint with mercy, and putrefaction would tick for 600.
Jadryga2005-05-20 15:09:04
Actually, I got those spores from 6 different mushroom circles.
I don't know why the Serenguard don't have 'em. You guys aren't making enough circles? It costs only 1p to make a circle, which stays around for a couple of months and produces one spore per hour, right?
I don't know why the Serenguard don't have 'em. You guys aren't making enough circles? It costs only 1p to make a circle, which stays around for a couple of months and produces one spore per hour, right?
Thorgal2005-05-20 15:09:52
QUOTE(Anonymous @ May 20 2005, 05:07 PM)
Wouldn't get you killed. Once it started ticking down, each successive tick would be for less. Once you drop lower, it'll be going for less.
Anyway, I'd like to point out, a 4200 health Viscanti regenerates 560 each regeneration tick in taint with mercy, whereas putrefaction would tick for 420. If a Viscanti is surged for 6k, they'd regenerate about 800 per tick in taint with mercy, and putrefaction would tick for 600.
Anyway, I'd like to point out, a 4200 health Viscanti regenerates 560 each regeneration tick in taint with mercy, whereas putrefaction would tick for 420. If a Viscanti is surged for 6k, they'd regenerate about 800 per tick in taint with mercy, and putrefaction would tick for 600.
121618
You're assuming that the whole world is tainted..and that every necromancer is a viscanti..
Eiru2005-05-20 15:10:28
How about off taint?
Keep in mind we have a level 2 penality for sipping.
Just like you should keep in mind that Empress can be resisted, and is, a lot, what about spores?
Keep in mind we have a level 2 penality for sipping.
Just like you should keep in mind that Empress can be resisted, and is, a lot, what about spores?
Jadryga2005-05-20 15:11:16
Tuek, you yourself emphasized IN TAINT. Not everything is tainted, mercy alone doesn't cover it. They also have a lvl 2 sip penalty. What about other races which don't get racial regen?
Unknown2005-05-20 15:11:44
QUOTE(Thorgal @ May 20 2005, 05:09 AM)
You're assuming that the whole world is tainted..and that every necromancer is a viscanti..
121621
Nope, was just pointing it out.
Mercy by itself, forgetting any other regeneration abilities, is 210 on 4200 health and 303 on 6k.
Unknown2005-05-20 15:12:37
QUOTE(Anonymous @ May 20 2005, 03:07 PM)
Anyway, I'd like to point out, a 4200 health Viscanti regenerates 560 each regeneration tick in taint with mercy, whereas putrefaction would tick for 420. If a Viscanti is surged for 6k, they'd regenerate about 800 per tick in taint with mercy, and putrefaction would tick for 600.
121618
I don't get this argumentation about regen covering it so it's supposed to be free. It is not free, if not for putrefaction you would regain that health, you still lose it.
Also, not everyone is a Viscanti and there's not taint everywhere.
Eiru2005-05-20 15:13:23
Yes, that doesn't make up for 420 HP or 600, and unlike the other damage protection skills, Putrefaction is good only against physical and blunt damage.
So yeah, I don't know why you're saying it's good. How about downgrading the others as well then?
The post above this one said it right too.
So does the one below this one!
So yeah, I don't know why you're saying it's good. How about downgrading the others as well then?
The post above this one said it right too.
So does the one below this one!
Jadryga2005-05-20 15:13:59
Heh, at 4200 health, we lose 420, and at 6500 we lose 650.
420 - 210 = 210.
650 - 303 = 347.
420 - 210 = 210.
650 - 303 = 347.