Currently, every race in Lusternia can compete in either PvP or bashing assuming they choose the right class. Except for 3 races. Trill, Lucidian and Furrikin.

I think every race should be able to be competative should they choose the right class. To have 3 singled out like this is rather unfair in my opinion and not good for the game either.

Some people point out that these races will improve once they get specializations, but that is years down the road. Plus, Dracnari are expected to get a specialization, yet they are one of the best all around races even now. Having those who like these races wait 1-3 years for Hallifax or Ackleberry to become player run institutions is 1-3 years of unfairness that could I think be easily avoided. Faelings got upgraded significantly even before they got the specialization option, I think these 3 "bastardized races" as I find myself referring to them to deserve the same.

So, I feel the "wait" argument is defunct for these two reasons. Can we please see some improvement, even if it is very slight? Or failing that, a reason for why we won't be seeing any improvement so that I can stop my bitching

Thanks for reading.

If you don't like being one of those races, recarinate!

They will get specializations. You just want everything to suit you, and you want it now. Get over it.

If Trill were made better, then their would be more people playing as Trill. This shouldn't happen. There is supposed to be very few Trill (which there is), due to the fact that the entire race is locked away in Hallifax. Once Hallifax is released, there will specializations for Trill, and suddenly there will be more people playing as Trill, and so the population will match what is expected.

I can wait, as long as Furrikin DO get a specialisation.

The thought that we'll forever be a crud race depresses me, but I can make do. It's the Krokani/Orclach I'm more worried about there.

I'm worried about Taurian. What are it's advantages? A temporally +2 Strength, level 1 regen (which goes unnoticed, at least by me), and that is it. The Con is good, the int makes for me some things that gradually suck mana useless (as I'm sure it's the same for many dumb races). But that's fine, Taurians are supposed to be brutish and strong, but 14 strength as base doesn't quite cut if for me. It would be good to see Taurians and Orclach be tweaked...

*cough*Krokani*cough*

Well, the post wasn't directed to Tuek or Shiro really. I've made my argument about the disparity of trill to dracnari and the rest, and no one has ever actually addressed it besides to say "tough cookies". So, no serious replies to your barely on topic posts. I guess it's back to waiting!

Yes, an upgrade, but it was a balance recovery increase for the race most unsuited to balance-dependent classes. And the specialization option we received is a curse I wouldn't wish on any existing race.

Not unless you Trill really want to specialize in Gaudigach.

Yes, Orclach, Krokani and Furrikin (if they don't specialize) are in need of work. But I think we all accept that Trill will get a great specialization in time.

I still think there are ways of helping Trill be viable in the short term without unbalancing them in the long term. Trill-specific bashing/influencing areas, for example.

Don't choose the races if you're going to whine about them.

Remember the other IRE games? None of those had bonuses. They give an inch, some people expect a mile.

How are you supposed to know the race is bad before you've played with it and realised it's bad for fighting? Not to mention there shouldn't be some sort of barrier between picking a race for RP and being able to fight.

Agreed, Shiri.

As I know you have done the same with humans, Richter, I don't think pointing out the imbalance in one's race can always be put down to just 'whining'. For those races who cannot expect to specialize in their ancestral home, I think it is understandable to suggest improvements.

For those who can expect specialization, well, perhaps other incentives could be offered in the meantime.

I did address it. Trill won't get upgrades because they need to keep the Trill population in proportion untill Hallifax is released. Dracnari are widespread, read the histories, because many escaped to the desert. The Hallifax weren't so lucky, and thusly there was very few of them.

Hehe i can just imagine that...

Random Trill, yeah bitches, we pwned your Nexus... wait, why the hell cant i move?! ... !

But back on topic, they'll get upgraded like everyone said when their respective city/communes comes out, the other races which wont ie dwarves, Tuarian, Krokani, Aslarans, Igasho, Loboshigaru... Heh, Dwarves with a Specialization... imagine the mage one, resistant to everything, decent con, decent int, massive attack.. man that'd rock

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~

Krokani and Dwarves will never get a specialisation. Their cities will never be in the game, as they didn't had any cities in the first place.

Furrikin will get specialisation in Ackleberry.
Lucidian will get specialisation in Hallifax or Gaudiguch ( ).
Trill will get specialisation in Hallifax.

Krokani is the race which worries me. But here's an idea to fix them.
Give them an ability to paralyse enemies when staring at them at level 50.

No, an active ability isn't the way to go for balancing things. It needs to be statistic/passive orientated.

I think Loboshigaru should have a +1 balance advantage. Aren't wolves as fast and dextrous as say, tigers? (aslaran)

Basically I'm just talking , because Loboshigaru is a great race.

I agree Furrikin need a tiny improvement, and Krokani also in my opinion.

What is this about Lucidians not joining in combat? The only weakness they have is against crushing, so obviously they can participate in combat as long as it is against non-bonecrushers.
Could use an intelligence boost, though. I mean, why should the self-proclaimed smartest race in the basin be less intelligent that merians, elfens, and mugwumps, and also be matched in intelligence by aslarans and dracnari? We really should have more intelligence than that.

There's some humans that have been very succesful at the bashing. But having only 3-4 out of 18 races be the only ones who can neither bash well or pvp well is a bad idea.

You look at the stats *before* you pick the race, not after.

A race is good or not depending on how you use it I personally think. I'm an unspecialized Merian with 10 strength, 10 constitution, 16 intelligence as a Knight, where everyone knows that high strength and constitution are the most important stats for a Knight. That's even worse than Trill in terms of useful stats for a Knight, but I still manage to be able to bash and fight. Stick with being a Trill, just so you can be unique, even though underpowered.