Kafe/metawake, insomnia, transversing, walking away... none of those are skills...

What other skill exists for a non dreamweaver to attack a dreamweaver?

Attacking the body. Easy.

If it makes you feel better, think about how many skills will damage a serpented character.

When someone attacks they lose serpent...

So, aside from dreamweaving being incredibly easily countered, and easily detected, Dreamweavers should be almost instakillable.

You can't be serious about this.

Damage should do more than healing... its a basic combat concept.

Fine, make my cudgel do more damage than anyone else can possibly heal.

if a person sipped health everytime you cudgeled them, eventually they would die.

If a dreamweaver has a willpower regen they will never die to my violet.

No, they will not.

Sipping health, eating sparkleberry, eating chervil, clotting, using leech attacks, relying on regeneration, using health restoration skills, shielding... it is unlikely I can deal more raw damage than can be healed.

There is also armour, shields, physical protection spells.

If your doing that long list of things your having a full fight, and you should be doing more than just using your cudgel.

However with a dreamweaver Violet vs Sap.. sap will win, ignoring all other skills available..

Insomnia's a skill, so's metawake. And transversing.

That quite apart, you are wrong. Violet will always beat sap, not the other way around.

THats an outright lie.

We cannot regenerate willpower that fast when we are sapping you to regain health.
Even with a regeneration circlet.

Everything that we do in dreamform takes willpower. We would run out of willpower in less than two minutes playing the violet/sap game.

Yes, what Ialie said.

There are very simple precautions that you can take against Dreamweavers that Ixchilgal has laid out. So do those, or GET ANOTHER PERSON TO VIOLET.

And do us all a favor and stop posting about this.

But you still won't die.

If you want me to stop posting, then don't respond. I dare you.

Won't die? First off, -most- people can outdamage -most- dreamweavers, using Violet/Kether. The rare cases, such as a Tae'Dae who takes tons of damage, and cause very little, are going to be your exception, but for the most part, Violet/Kether will cause more damage than can be cured by Sap.

Sap cannot kill you. Violet/Kether can. It doesn't matter -how- long the fight goes on, if you stand there in a slugfest, -eventually- the one with Violet/Kether will win. There can be -no- other outcome. Zero.

When you win with Violet/Kether, the person is dead, or back in their body. Either way works, really. When you win with Sap....oh wait. You -can't- win with Sap.

Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp? Here, I'll try it a different way.


Daganev and Ixchilgal get into a fight. Daganev can -only- newbie kick. Ixchilgal can -only- cast Wounds, and sip health. No matter how many times Ixchilgal casts Wounds, he can't kill you. At most, it's an irritant that you wait a couple minutes to go away. And even though Daganev isn't doing much damage, Ixchilgal will -eventually- run out of health vials, or just run out of mana casting Wounds. Either way, Daganev wins. Ixchilgal cannot.

I hope that example helps you grasp this concept a bit, because really, I'm not sure I can dumb it down any more.


EDIT: And on a side note...I'd rather die, than run out of Willpower. If I die in enemy territory, I lost what? 60%, 70% experience? If I run out of Willpower, I'm asleep for a good five to ten minutes before I can even wake up, -then- I'm meditating for 5+ hours to get it back. I can bash back the experience in an hour, maybe as much as two, if I'm not feeling particularly energetic about it.

A dreamweaver has much more than sap at thier disposal, however sap vs violet alone, violet can't win.

Violet is the only tool.

Then its just bugged for tae'dae... good to be able to narrow down the problem.

Again, you're missing one very important point - Sap can't kill.

Incapable. It -cannot- defeat -anyone-, -ever-. Tae'dae, Furrikin, that grasshopper that just had its legs and wings pulled off. -Nothing-. Ever. No matter what.

Sap does not kill.

Violet does.

Therefore, even with your doing lousy damage with Violet, you cannot lose. Ever. No matter what.

Unless you're just an idiot, who lets yourself be knocked unconsious, where you -can- be killed. And if you're dumb enough to die to that, especially after I just told you how to counter it, then you really do deserve to die.

Furthermore, Kether/Violet isn't there to counter -just- Dreamweaving, it counters other things - Ghost, Nature, and Statue, which I already mentioned. You can use it to attack people who are -completely- incapable of fighting back. Completely.


And finally, it's not a "bug" at all, that Tae'dae take a lot of damage from a magical attack. Nor is it a "bug" that Tae'dae do lousy damage with a magical attack.
I would suggest you read, "HELP TAE'DAE" and consider carefully the implications of having only a 9 Intelligence, and a level 3 penalty to magical damage, and a level 3 penalty to equilibrium.


And on one final note, can we get someone to move this to Idiots? It really does belong there.

I don't think Violet should be so dependant on int, thats all. seems like a simple enough thing to make it a set damage, since its a public skill avaialbe to melee and magic archetypes.

So what if it's available to everyone? So is Combat, and yet, some races are better at it than others. Ditto with Influence.

I mean, while we're at it, let's just make all the skills which aren't restricted to a guild set in their effect - Who needs Charisma for Influence, anyways?

And we'll make Health a set thing, based on level! Constitution is just unfair. Why should you have more health than me? I shouldn't be penalized because of my choice of race!


Oh wait, I'm not an idiot, so I don't actually beleive those things. I grasp the concept that some people are better than me at some things, and vice versa. That's kinda what makes the game -worth- playing.

If you want to play a game where you're going to kick everything's ass without any sort of effort or thought on your part, play Doom. If you -really- need them, I'm sure you can find cheat codes online, to enable God Mode. In fact, if you really want, I'll even look the codes up -for- you.

Charsima doesn't affect Influence... Eq does.

Influence attacks are based on how much you have in the skill not how much charisma you have. Charisma only affects how many times you get hit before you lose.

Combat also is based on how much skill you have in it.

Dexterity is a seperate affect.

No other skill in lowmagic is dependant on how much int you have.

Violet is the odd skill out.