So what? All magical attacks that I know of have their damage based off Intelligence. And that's a -good- thing. A -very- good thing. Otherwise...what's the point in playing a high intelligence race? I mean, if you make Violet ignore Intelligence, then logically, -every other magical attack- would. Which means, I'm gonna reincarnate from a Mugwump, which has a reasonably good Intelligence, to, say....oh, Dwarf! Or Igasho. They're nice and tanky.

Once again, and I hope this somehow sinks in...Tae'dae should -not- ever do as much magical damage as a "mage" race.

Try using Violet/Kether as a race that has a moderate intelligence (Say Human - they have no particular perks or disadvantages. Nice and neutral). If the damage is -still- so low to be completely unviable, then I won't just tell you to shut the hell up, because frankly, you're just making yourself sound like a retard.

Really, I usually at least consider the points you make, because often, you do have something resembling logic to them, but.....this time, really. It's stupid. The idea was stupid. The logic was stupid. The justification was stupid. The dodging points made, or just outright ignoring them was stupid. The not having a clue what you're talking about was stupid. Everything. It's like the Universe conspired to come up with the most idiotic theory ever imagined, and then to throw it at the Lusternia forums, and it manifested itself as this.

But I'm going to bed.

I'm betting you can't use spring more then twice. It's 700 mana a pop. That skill is dependent on your mana, and thusly your intelligence.

That was one of the funniest rants I've heard, though it was well said. Good show. It's all true.

if spring uses 700 mana, (not that I've ever found a use for spring) I could use it 4 times minium without sipping.

But thats not really the point.

You seem more bent out of shape about dreamweaving than you do about this single ability that is useless for 5 races.

I agree that violet and kether should do something besides straight damage. We shouldn't need 2 people to repel (not kill, but repel) one dream walker who isn't in any danger themselves.

And why not? What's the point in dreamweaving if one low intelligent person with violet can force you to retreat right away?

It's obvious you're not going to listen to reason, so I'm just going to ignore you. You're just going to keep posting insanity until you get the last word, and we throw up our hands in despair and leave you to your delusions.

Dreamweaving would still be very useful for scouting purposes or catching someone off-guard. The idea as described originally was that it not be as good for combat as runes, yet it's proving to be better because of the lack of effective counters and how the body is never really targettable.

First of all, most of the time, a single person with Kether -is- enough to repel a Dreamweaver. Most of the time.

You're overlooking -every- point made that demonstrates why you are wrong.

You simply don't address it. And the -rare- time you do try to address them, you get your facts wrong.

Dreamweaving is simple to counter. Anyone can do it, you don't need any skills at all. All you need is a kafe bean, and some patience. Wait for them to go away, they can't -do- anything dangerous. It'd be like Daevos and Murphy running into Serenwilde, and trying to attack by "Influence Tuek with charm". They can pound it out as fast as they want, and everyone just stands there, blinking. Then some novice attacks, and they have to retreat, because they know they can't kill, and they know they can't even cause enough damage to make the cost of staying worth while.

Your main problem with Dreamweaving right now is -not- that Kether/Violet is weak, it's that you have no Blacktalon to speak of. Get more Dreamweavers. Dreamweavers counter Dreamweavers.

Dreamweavers are supposed to be difficult to deal with. That's the whole -point- of the skill. And no matter how little damage Kether/Violet does, it's still going to win out -every time- against a Dreamweaver, if you know the few basic counters. And Kether/Violet doesn't -need- to do anything more than damage. There's already ways of stopping the Dreambody from going anywhere.

Magnagora has managed to kill invading Dreamweavers.
Serenwilde has managed to kill invading Dreamweavers.
Celest has managed to kill invading Dreamweavers.

Figure it out, instead of just bemoaning how your skills, which everyone else in the game seems to do just fine with, are crap.

ummmm, I have no idea what your last points are about.

I finally had a opportunity to test my skill, and i saw that it was useless.

This has nothing to do with any actual events.

*Sigh*

Yes. Good. Your skill is useless. You've established that theory. I've pointed out why it's wrong. Please shut up now.

The onlything you have established is that dreamweaving sucks.

Daganev, stop and listen for a second.

Kether does not suck. Your Kether sucks. My Kether will outpace sap. I'll bet a few sovereigns that any race with more than 8 int and no eq penalty can do the same. The biggest difference is that the average dreamweaver knows that he'd better be gone before my third one hits, whereas the human might have to stand there and wear them down.

Is it bad for you? Sure. But having massive con and a sipping bonus needs to come with some kind of drawback.

There are hundreds of drawbacks to being a tae'dae.

That does not negate the fact that as mr jello put it, there is no other method to repel a dreamweaver.

I don't see why Violet should be so crappy for 5 races.

Actually, Dreamweaving is wonderful. It's got limitations and drawbacks, sure, but that's not a bad thing.

I'm wondering, is English not your native language or something? I can run all this through Babelfish or something, if you like. I'm really at a loss as how to explain this any further.

How about, you seem to be the only person who finds Violet to be useless. Nobody else seems to be having a problem with it. Or at least, they haven't spoken up.

I've told you just about everything you need to know in order to render Dreamweaving ineffectual, even without the use of Violet. Therefore, -adding- Violet to the mix only swings the balance further in your favour.



And on a side note, let's go with the theory that Dreamweaving sucks. Hurrah! My point is -still- proven, and yours disproven - the fact that X skill sucks, and is completely useless even without Y skill is a -good- reason not to make Y skill even -more- effective against X skill. Especially when Y skill trumps Z, W, and P skills as well.

Now, before you post (And I know you're going to), I want you to stop. Go back, read this whole thread once. Everything, mesh it all together. Consider how aspect A affects aspect B. Then I want you to stop. -Reread- the whole thing, just to be sure you haven't missed anything. -Then- I want you to experiment a bit in Lusternia, with various people. Have someone with 14 Intelligence use Violet, have someone with 17, have someone with 12, and so forth. Fiddle a bit, see how things play out. Then stop, read -once more- this thread.
Then post.

And if your post is anything other than, "Oh, sorry. My bad, I'm an idiot," then I want you to stop. Reread this thread once more.

Repeat ad nauseam.

PS: There is no "g" in "whine." I know this hasn't been an issue in this thread, but every time I see you attempt to spell that word in other threads, another layer or two of enamel is ground off my teeth.

I thought I was alone on that.

"Oh , sorry, My bad, I'm an idiot "

However that does not negate the fact that Jello has spoken up and agreed with me.

You are also constantly missing the point.

If I have a skill like Putrefaction, and it sucks, that fact that it sucks and needs to be fixed is not negated by the existance of combat/resillience fullplate armor, aruro of repounding , shield, and serpent.

So while yes you have repeated yourself dozens of times, your arguments are fairly moot.

You ARE alone on that. Whingeing is a perfectly acceptable word. Pronounced winjing.

EDIT: Daganev, violet DOES NOT SUCK.

Daganev, there's this skill called "cosmicfire." It's only useful for two races. Now, you can upgrade it to the point that it's useful for tae'dae and I'll blow yer arse into Shallamar faster than you can type INVOKE CIRCLE, or you can leave it alone and the portion of the world that gave up damage in favor of not making the merian noise will just make do. It's a tradeoff.

It's not like you're in any real danger of death.

Cosmic fire is not a public skill, nor is it usefull to only 2 races.

and once again, get a frikin clue... Death is not important. Repelling someone who is attacking you is.

You can also use heartstop to avoid a dreamweaver.. whats your point?