Intelligence = strength of magic based attacks...the end

Daganev, you really need to follow the advice Ixchilgal gave you. I've never before met a person who can so blatantly ignore every point against them, and blissfully keep whining.

Violet is a magic attack. You suck at magic. That's all there is to it. I'm going to freaking post that every time you try to make some inane point otherwise, until you get it through your thick head.

Oh, and whinge is the British spelling. I hate it, but I checked before I complained, and it's valid.

Eyepeck will do 1K damage nomatter the target or the attacker. I see no reason for Violet to not be the same way.

Eyepeck is magic source damage?

Look, I'm saying that a certain ability as it is, should be changed, your arguing back at me saying that the attack is different from one person to the next, adn that you don't need the attack in the first place.

Do you not see the nonsequator here?

I would suggest that you go back and read the thread over again.

The trouble there is you're comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing Defensive Skill A to Defensive Skill B, which is not what's going on here.

We're comparing Defensive/Offensive Skill A with Offensive Skill B.

In this case, Skill B is more than sufficient to defeat Skill A, in most instances. You'll find cases where this isn't true, but that holds true for all existing skills. Counters are not 100% effective, 100% of the time.
Now, one such instance is the case of a Tae'Dae trying to use the skill. It's horridly ineffective.
Jelaludin, a Trill who agrees with you is either an idiot, or the difference between 13 and 14 Intelligence must be -vast-, because Faeling I've asked about this seem to have no problems with the skill. (Incidentally, you're right - I did forget about him speaking up).

So, I did take my own advice, and reread the thread. Just to make sure I didn't overlook any sort of cunning nugget of logic, slipped in while I wasn't paying attention.
There wasn't one.
I may try to read the thread once more, just to be -absolutely- certain, but I'm reasonably certain that I won't find anything, so I'll put it off for now.


And on one final note, I'm not missing the point at all. Your point has simply been defeated, and is completely invalid. Your theory is that Violet needs to do more damage, -or- it needs to have some secondary effect, to make it more useful against Dreamweavers.
First, for -most- people, it does enough damage already, to drive off a Dreamweaver in three or four hits, even -if- the Dreamweaver is using Sap. Less, if you have more than one person casting.
Second, Violet existed -long- before Dreamweaving did, therefore, it's not used -just- for that skill. It's a skill used to counter three individual skills, and an -entire skill set-.
And lastly, there's already means (Both mundane and magical) to slow down, and hinder a Dreamweaver in Dreambody. Which means, Kether/Violet does not require a secondary, hindering effect.

Wow, go Athana! It's been a long time since I've been ninja'd!

Edit: Well shoot, this post got ninja'd, too. But it doesn't count, because Ix has been working on that post for ten minutes.

For the same reason that a Furrikin with a sword is crappier than a Tae'Dae with a sword.

You do not get more Con from Yellow if you have higher int, there is no reason for violet to do more damage because of int. Its a lowmagic skill, all other low magic skills have a set affect to them.

Why should this one skill suddenly be the only one in the skillset based on int?

Eyepeck is based on physcial damage but my Str does not affect it.

Stop comparing guild skills with public skills sheesh!

My shieldstun is crap because I only have 11 str. So is my Gore. I want shieldstun to stun for at least 3 seconds, and Gore to do always do 1k. It's not fair that since I picked a weak race, I can't hit you as hard.

Umm?....

I have 20str and my shieldstun lasts less than 1.4 seconds

Shieldstun is based on strength. Thus, it is nearly useless for me. That's unfortunate, since aslaran shieldstun would be nice with constitution as low as mine. But I make do. If I wanted aslaran shieldstun, I have the option of going aslaran.

Violet is based on intelligence. Thus, it is nearly useless for you. That's unfortunate, since the ability to chase off dreamweaves would be nice with the magic damage penalty you suffer. But yeah, you'll live. If it means that much to you, join the blacktalons, learn dreamweaving, and go faeling. Those pesky dreamweavers will leave you alone then.

You're argument is this:
I suck at this skill, so it should be changed so that I don't suck at it.

All -attacks- in the game with magical source rely on int. Know why all of lowmagic but violet has a set effect? I'll give you a hint: How many -attacks- are there in lowmagic?

Shieldstun is just as short for everybody, its only More usefull for an aslarana it is not less usefull for a faeling, except that they happen to have better skill options at thier disposal.

1. Violet/Kether is the THE ONLY METHOD.. lets repeat this.. ONLY METHOD.... shall I say it again... ONLY METHOD, for a non dreamweaver to repell a dreamweaver. Every other skillset has MULTIPLE METHODS of repelling an attacker. Do to it being the ONLY METHOD, it would makes sense that this method is available to everyone, since afterall it is in a PUBLIC skillset.

I'm making a TAe'dae druid and complaining my magic attacks don't do enough damage, so stop making those comparisons.

Not every skill that is based on a type of attack had the damage based on the stat corresponding to that attack, its not outside the bound of the game for Violet to be changed in some way so that it is usefull to EVERYBODY as it is a public skill and all public skills are usefull to everybody. You may not find them as good as your guild skills, but they are usefull, and do exactly what you would expect them to do. Violet on the other hand, does not do what I would expect it to do.

Why must you make this so complicated?

Alas, a few folks got to some of my newest wonderful points before I could, because I was doing a little bit of background research.

So, I'll bring up what Daganev has conveniently failed to mention.

Tae'dae are the -worst- spellcasting race in existence. While Krokani and Orlach both have one less Intelligence than Tae'dae, neither suffers a level 3 penalty to equilibrium recovery.

I dunno, but I'm thinking that might play into why Daganev's Violet sucks so much. Probably just some crazy concept, like the world being round, or something.

Secondly...yes, alas, this point was stolen as well, but I suppose I can repeat it. How many magical -attacks- are there in Lowmagic? I'd say, likely, about the same as there is in Highmagic (Namely: One that I know of).

And on the point of comparing guild skills to non-guild skills....err, you did that with Putre, Daganev. Please, try to remember your own arguements.

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