Only a very small population of Lusternia can tumble in under half a second, namely only Diminished Faelings, with 9 size it still takes me over 3 seconds to tumble, thus making Soulless still extremely powerful.

As for anorexia/asthma, you're forgetting the fact that almost all the classes have a passive healing ability. Nihilists have syphon, all warriors can heal anorexia while proned (yay hunger!), Aquamancers have the affliction curing effect. That leaves only Geomancer, Celestines, and Wiccans without a passive affliction Healing, this is of course disregarding Princess tarot since it sucks. And even Celestines and Wiccans can take healing to cure those afflictions with ease.

Full cures them, as does Green. You'd need paralysis and impatience in there to actually lock someone.

Yeah, I'm forgetting those two, also Gedulah and Hod will take care of your afflictions as well if you're not paralyzed. It's not as easy to 'instant-lock' someone as you think, Thorgal.

What's rgeat is how people who don't use the skills actually think they can "imagine" how they would be better. I've used both Tarot and Hexes and Tarot is FAR more useful offensivly. Fool with Hangedman/Aeon/Lust...any other combination is sickening. Terenas is correct in pointing out ALL the easy ways to get out of a lock.
Celestines have Empower also, which cures afflictions and heals them.
And no offence Jelaludin, you have never been a good fighter, you've always been low teir and will remain so, your opinion on Hexes being stronger than Tarot when you never learned to fight with either is moot.

EDIT: Seriously, if you think it's so damn good Thorgal, please take Hexes over your Tarot and prove it to us. Until you have actually tried to use Hexes, there is no point in saying it's better than Tarot.

The thing is, they can give you anorexia, paralysis and impatience with less than a second equilibrium cost in total...one doublewhammy costs less than a second. You can draw 6 hexes in a room, so with doublewhammy, you can give someone 6 afflictions in less than two seconds, for 6 power. Allhex is worthless compared to doublewhammy, there's just no reason anyone should use allhex anymore.

Listen, if you people don't believe me, or just don't have enough insight to see this, go fight a capable hexer.

I've fought Tuek many times and even been nailed with Allhex from him, which I cured all of before he even recovered equilbrium, so whats the point? Doublewhammy is slightly better now but is alot hardxer to pull off to have a great effect.

Dude, just do the math yourself then, it can't be THAT hard.

How can you call 6 afflictions in less than two seconds, for 6 power, "slightly better"? IF you can't see how a skill that gives 2 hidden afflictions simultaneously for 2 power, in less than a single bloody second, is extraordinarily powerful, you are either biased and lying or ignorant. Please prove my wrong..

So what? What's stopping you from curing anorexia with coltsfoot?

What math? WTF Thorgal, I though you knew more about combat than this. Even Tuek, the top Hex user thinks they aren't that great, even now. All you do is speculate about what MAY be better when you have no proof or testing or experience to back it up

Asthma, doublewhammy gives two hidden afflictions simultaneously in under a second.

And Ethelon, stop telling me I'm wrong, if your experience and almighty insight is SO great, then PROVE me I'm wrong. Tell me exactly where my assessment about doublewhammy was wrong.

Listen up Thorgal, this was about Tarot being mroe offensive than Hexes. So what you are saying is ONE skill, which takes a great deal of setting up, can be hindered easily, and to work as well as you say by uneneming the target, is better than Tarot. I have no damn reason to prove it, I actually have used both skill unlike you, so infact I do know what I am speaking of.

So where in your anorexia/impatience/paralysis combo was that included? And if you throw that in, can they give 4 afflictions at once now? So how's that any more powerful than Allhex that can give all 6?

And perhaps you should take this advice you gave so long ago.


So have you had anyone used whammy or double-whammy on you yet?

You apparently aren't, since you haven't got a clue how to prove it wrong.

Dude, stop being so ignorant, 4 afflictions in under a second, does not mean 3 afflictions in under a second, it means 4 afflictions in under a second. Reread the post and explain to me how paralysis, asthma, anorexia and impatience in under a second, is not more powerful than hangedman or moon.

Is it REALLY so hard to just tell me why I'm wrong, instead of throwing around opinions? You're wrong because I say so, does NOT cut it.

Good one Thorgal, looks like your high-school comeback has me beat. Grow up man. Just because you talk out your ass with no back-up for it don't continue. Want to prove that you are right thorgal? Switch over to Hexes considering you can and then prove the rest of us wrong.

See? He still doesn't have a clue how to explain why giving 2 hidden afflictions every 0.5 seconds is not more powerful than any offense tarot might have.

Tell me dear Ethelon, you meet a hexer who set up 4 hexes, next thing you know, he's given you asthma/anorexia then impatience/paralysis, before any of your triggers was even able to react, since it happened in under a second without any messages whatsoever. Then he aeons you..

How are you gonna get out?

Moron, I posted that before your edit. Here is the proof, YOU Thorgal have the option to take Hexes and you still won't.
It's called Diag, and I would get that off before he Aeoned me. I'm not a half-scrub healer Thorgal.

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~

How does that ignore that fact that virtually all the classes in the game have access to passive healing abilities? I can use hunger when proned, Nihilists can siphon afflictions under any circumstances, Ethelon pointed out Celestines can empower their angels to heal them, Aquamancer's sweetfount heals them regardless, those with Healing can heal even when paralyzed now. Those abilities can be done under any circumstances. How is that as you stated-

NONE of those, but maybe sweetfound and Healing, works when you're paralysed. Hunger doesn't, syphon doesn't, empower doesn't.

And Ethelon, no matter how much you diagnose when you're afflicted with asthma, anorexia, impatience and paralysis, you aren't getting out of it.

You do realize that only Wiccans can have aeon + hex at any given time right? And wane has a horribly long eq associated, not to mention they have to strip speed first.