Negative Feedback

by Shorlen

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Shamarah2005-05-31 01:11:24
We have some, but you guys have waaay more.
Unknown2005-05-31 01:18:33
QUOTE(Shamarah @ May 30 2005, 08:11 PM)
We have some, but you guys have waaay more.
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I wouldn't say "waaay" more. But we probably have more that are "active"...
Athana2005-05-31 01:21:43
they also have a Demigod!

too bad for Celest she's a pascifist :/
Unknown2005-05-31 01:25:12
Pascifist my posterior. She was definately there in Southgard.
Sylphas2005-05-31 01:27:35
This wouldn't be an anti-Magnagoran change. As stated, you guys would probably get villages just the same. A nerf to your skills would be anti-Magnagoran. This would just be anti-dominating. The two overlap now, but won't always, hopefully.
Unknown2005-05-31 01:49:17
Villages already oppose each other and the rest, and if that idea was instituted, we'd never see an empire in the game again. Magnagora deffinitely has better team organization than the competition, in fact some of the best I've seen in any IRE game after 8 years of playing them.
Athana2005-05-31 01:56:47
QUOTE(Nayl @ May 30 2005, 02:11 PM)
I would say, just remove all demesne's when it goes into play.
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I think that's a good suggestion. The city/commune that owns a village prior to the revolt will always have the upper-hand since all they would have to do is meld. However, I dont believe that making demesnes completely useless during village play is necessary.

P.S. Putting up a sanctuary honestly needs to get rid of a demesne in that room too.

EDIT: Unless it was intentional to have demesne effects be able hit you while debating someone on sanctuaried ground?unsure.gif
Sylphas2005-05-31 02:13:39
Effects shouldn't hit, and you shouldn't be able to make a demesne unbreakable by holding a sanctuary at every break point. You should be able to break in a sanced room.
Athana2005-05-31 02:30:44
QUOTE(Sylphas @ May 31 2005, 02:13 AM)
Effects shouldn't hit, and you shouldn't be able to make a demesne unbreakable by holding a sanctuary at every break point.  You should be able to break in a sanced room.
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Yes!
Shorlen2005-05-31 04:19:13
QUOTE(Sylphas @ May 30 2005, 10:13 PM)
You should be able to break in a sanced room.
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No, that'd be terrible. It would drain power, and that's about it. You'd have one person breaking and one person putting it back up, both reflexively, until they run out of reserves. Being able to break a demense is an aggressive action, and always should be considered such. That said, demenses should be changed *somehow* in relation to village influenceing... The part about them that makes me mad is demensesummoning people OUT of the village and into statues. Heck, just the 'out of the village' part annoys me. All the fighting in the village should happen in the village. It also makes a demense absurdly hard to break if the demense goes outside the village, especially if it is melded pre-revolt.

Making the revolt undemense the village would be a good idea, but there is a large problem with it. Namely, Acknor and Dairuchi (I think those are the only ones). A demense running through those villages would be split in half by this idea, and the code would explode. So, there must be another way of doing the same effect....
Sylphas2005-05-31 04:46:39
No, you absolutely should not be able to have an unbreakable demesne. Longnight is the only way without sanctuary, and that takes a group of 13 people, plus the other reqs, and even then, I seriously hate the idea of it. Sanctuary takes one person at each break point, which is much easier to manage.
Maelon2005-05-31 05:21:15
Ixion, when was the last time you saw Lazul?

Amaru was on his honeymoon when Delport revolted and not around for Southgard.

When Gerald references firepower, he's also talking about availability.

One thing I found hilarious, was the apparent irritation at our tactics, which we were finally able to employ having the people. YES, of course we sanctuaried. Someone asked me to a duel while we were doing it, even, citing that we weren't doing a great deal of fighting. Our job was not fighting, our duty was to Celest's interests, not to conveniently skewed ideas of Celestian honor (read: letting ourselves die in fixed honor bouts while the enemy has insanely more manpower and takes the village while waving to our souls).

As for Aesyra being in Southgard, it was fantastic that she helped, we needed her help and thanks in part to it we were able to take it. Even Hajamin, however, defends her not being required to fight IC (on the city aethers we get to see, anyway, I know nothing of their own conversations).
Bau2005-05-31 05:26:42
Regarding conflicts of any sort, certain rooms are unbreakable, which mean demesnes cannot be removed, which means... pwnage.

What pisses me off is that Serenwilde decided that they should jump Paavik within an hour of their winning the other new villages. Villages should have some sort of protection for at least a few hours, an RL day maybe, after being influenced, because it's bad for the village denizens (just imagine your morale if the fighting had finished and you were just getting settled, then some mean bastards started attacking and killing you again because you didn't agree with them).

Oh, and coming only to kill people and not bother influencing while yer at it also pisses me off. It shouldn't be about "OOH, a FREE VILLAGE, let's go KILL EVERYONE IN IT UNLESS THEY'RE OURS!!!!!!"

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Shiri2005-05-31 05:34:35
QUOTE(Bau @ May 31 2005, 06:26 AM)
Regarding conflicts of any sort, certain rooms are unbreakable, which mean demesnes cannot be removed, which means... pwnage.

What pisses me off is that Serenwilde decided that they should jump Paavik within an hour of their winning the other new villages. Villages should have some sort of protection for at least a few hours, an RL day maybe, after being influenced, because it's bad for the village denizens (just imagine your morale if the fighting had finished and you were just getting settled, then some mean bastards started attacking and killing you again because you didn't agree with them).

Oh, and coming only to kill people and not bother influencing while yer at it also pisses me off. It shouldn't be about "OOH, a FREE VILLAGE, let's go KILL EVERYONE IN IT UNLESS THEY'RE OURS!!!!!!"

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You guys have guards too y'know.
Daganev2005-05-31 06:55:55
I'm just curious as to which RP perspective said killing random villagers was the right thing to do.

Cause I really hope it was.. Kill everything thats not me sort of RP.
Torak2005-05-31 13:05:52
Credits don't equal skill, its not what skills you have its how you use them. Anyone can buy a bunch of credits and not be able to fight their way out of a wet blanket, so don't even try that tongue.gif.
Shiri2005-05-31 13:40:59
QUOTE(Torak @ May 31 2005, 02:05 PM)
Credits don't equal skill, its not what skills you have its how you use them. Anyone can buy a bunch of credits and not be able to fight their way out of a wet blanket, so don't even try that tongue.gif.
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But no matter how much skill you have, if you have no credits, you won't be able to fight your way out of a paper bag.
Torak2005-05-31 13:53:40
Well, pending. A mage with trans aqua, or Geomancy could drop any class easy if you ask me regardless of what other skills they had. As long as you have atleast one trans skill and a few more higher leveled ones you should be fine.
Shorlen2005-05-31 14:49:13
QUOTE(daganev @ May 31 2005, 02:55 AM)
I'm just curious as to which RP perspective said killing random villagers was the right thing to do.

Cause I really hope it was.. Kill everything thats not me sort of RP.
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There have been Serenwilders who loathe the Krokani of the Grey Moors for various reasons for a long time, and who have hunted them since before that village existed. i don't see why they'd stop now...
Erion2005-05-31 17:14:39
Because Paavik =! Djarrakh? Djarrakh Krokani were the ones whom honestly reveled in the Taint, and use it. Paavik Krokani, from what I've seen, were and still are VERY loyal to Celest. Although, I'm just going off the surface bits, and what I've learned from the honors quest there. That all could have changed when the youngest Paavik son slept with his sister, birthed a child, they claimed the father was dead, and Lukovic went mad and killed his siblings, then his father killed him, and I imagine the mother killed her husband, then herself.

Har. All of family honor. smile.gif