Racial Balance

by Estarra

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Syrienne2005-06-05 02:14:01
all I can say is I hope Lusternia doesnt follow down the path of Imperian where things that were to strong didnt get tweaked they got completely nerfed to the point they became not balanced but pointless.
Alger2005-06-05 02:59:36
heh on with the ego battle... yes thats why running like 10 rooms away is you trying to get away from contagion. Wow, thats one big ass contagion. And if you want to get picky the endurance loss was intentional, thats what the chest hits were for tongue.gif Your wp was also going down the drain through all your focusing, but honestly who cares.

I explained a lot of things to you then Syrienne. If you understood and still couldnt accept why they're strong then doesnt that just make you stubborn? If you step back, maybe youll see whats wrong with it. We already used them and showed people that they really pack a punch.
Unknown2005-06-05 03:02:12
You guys are the best knight fighters in the game though. I'm sure you'd do just as well spamming the blindness toxin and dazzle as merian Paladins.
Syrienne2005-06-05 03:32:28
Heh since you wont respond to tells or Ims to talk about what happened I guess it just does come out as some ego battle. But thats nothing new. Regardless you never got me in trouble, I know puncturechest was intentional but it wasnt going to kill me, nor do I focus alot since I dont have the various focus skills.

And also by the logic of knowing a cheap exploit making something overpowered I could say the same for ectoplasm. The only reason its not nerfed and complained about constantly is its NOT abused, much like I wouldnt abuse stun.
Terenas2005-06-05 04:45:09
QUOTE(Syrienne @ Jun 5 2005, 03:32 AM)
And also by the logic of knowing a cheap exploit making something overpowered I could say the same for ectoplasm. The only reason its not nerfed and complained about constantly is its NOT abused, much like I wouldnt abuse stun.
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Syrienne's a funny one. wub.gif
Unknown2005-06-05 04:49:16
I don't really see how ectoplasm could be abused, besides maybe in freeforalls. A duel involves good faith by both parties, if one side breaches it the other can just leave. In group combat, I wouldn't say using ectoplasm repeatedly is abuse, it's no worse than boulderblast etc. If someone you've ambushed keeps using it, you have no right to complain as you're jumping them.
Shiri2005-06-05 04:55:42
QUOTE(Jello @ Jun 5 2005, 05:49 AM)
I don't really see how ectoplasm could be abused, besides maybe in freeforalls. A duel involves good faith by both parties, if one side breaches it the other can just leave. In group combat, I wouldn't say using ectoplasm repeatedly is abuse, it's no worse than boulderblast etc. If someone you've ambushed keeps using it, you have no right to complain as you're jumping them.
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roflmao.gif Since when did boulderblast kill you after one shot if you don't cure it with an ability that not only takes eq but also takes an enchantment charge for a WHOLE TEAM? Man, you've obviously NEVER been hit by it. Or seen anyone hit by it.
The only argument even the Magnagorans who have it will try to use to avoid it being downgraded is that the rest of necromancy sucks.
Daganev2005-06-05 07:31:00
QUOTE(Estarra @ Jun 3 2005, 05:13 PM)
The warrior reworking has made us look at the balance of the races. I've spent over ten hours going over the races, comparing them, using formulas to try to get an idea of how they stack as either warriors or spellcasters or both. Anyway, I've cleverly devised an approach to balance the races but when we looked at it the majority of races would receive hefty upgrades, a few races would receive downgrades, and a few races would stay about the same. There is some concern raised over the need for such drastic changes and concern about what reactions the players have if this plan would go into effect

So the question arises: Do we need such a major overhaul of the races (which I frankly want to do but am reserving judgment) or would you prefer just to see small tweaks? I'd like your opinions on what races you think definitely need upgrades or downgrades and your reasons why. I'm not looking for what specific upgrades you think a race needs (as that's already generally laid out) but just a general sense of your thoughts.
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To sum up 8 pages of posts... YES! DO It!

But don't be surprised when some people screem about thier particular race, but I think everone agrees that BALANCING needs to be done.
Ceres2005-06-05 08:44:55
I endorse this event and/or product.
Morik2005-06-05 09:44:55
QUOTE(roark @ Jun 5 2005, 12:22 AM)
There is no such thing. No rune makes you rely on INT for your damage amount.
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So what is the damage conversion with elemental runes based on? is it just the percentage of whatever damage would have been done, turned into elemental? (Eg, 1000 damage from str/knighthood 'stance'/race, 50% elemental, so 500 physical cutting/blunt before target armour/resistance, 500 elemental before target resistance). It just feels like they're doing a /lot/ of damage.

Why then, are people doing insane amounts of damage with elemental runes? Just the lack of resistance to electric (requiring greatrobes for most of us?)
Daevos2005-06-05 12:48:23
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jun 5 2005, 04:55 AM)
roflmao.gif Since when did boulderblast kill you after one shot if you don't cure it with an ability that not only takes eq but also takes an enchantment charge for a WHOLE TEAM? Man, you've obviously NEVER been hit by it. Or seen anyone hit by it.
The only argument even the Magnagorans who have it will try to use to avoid it being downgraded is that the rest of necromancy sucks.
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Since when did ecto plasm kill you if you dont cure it. Hell, you are a Moondancer it doesnt really affect you at all.
Shiri2005-06-05 12:52:01
QUOTE(Daevos @ Jun 5 2005, 01:48 PM)
Since when did ecto plasm kill you if you dont cure it. Hell, you are a Moondancer it doesnt really affect you at all.
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Since wind, scabies, epilepsy and so forth existed. Primarily wind. And I was talking about knights as well. It'd be like if I had permanent confusion, only worse.
Daevos2005-06-05 12:57:31
Every last affliction that affects balance but ecto, can be cured without balance, also you can change your parry to gut without balance. So no ecto is not lethal by any stretch. It also wears off. Though it does hurt warriors alot.
Shiri2005-06-05 12:59:46
Yes? But if it hits once then you're off-balance for quite a while. And yeah, sure, I parry gut, then I get knockdown and stupidity and concussion and all the rest of it. dry.gif Not to mention that hardly ever do I parry at any rate, if ANYTHING I dodge. (And then not often, depending on my opponent's accuracy.) And yes, ecto is seriously lethal. It wears off? Do you realise how LONG it takes to wear off, upon which it can just be done again?
Thorgal2005-06-05 13:13:56
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Back on topic, upgrade aslaran, me and Gwylifar already posted awesome suggestions in the ideas forum!
Unknown2005-06-05 13:17:15
Upgrade and downgrade the rest, keep Dracnari the same P
Unknown2005-06-05 14:20:43
Aslaran aren't really on the list of races hurting though mellow.gif
Icarus2005-06-05 14:44:51
Regarding Faelings, specialized or not, they are quite good now, with low str/con (although shadowlords have more con than elfen lords) but have good advantages like lvl 3 balance, sip bonus etc. But on the test server, with the new knighthood formula, they are insane. And that's with artifact runes disabled. Trust Alger, faeling warriors rule. I have been at the receiving end of their supposedly toothpicks and they hurt more than Murphy's flails with their speed, woundings and afflict rate. sad.gif

It's good that races are being looked at, or else we might see a lot more faeling paladins and ur'guards when the knight changes go in. That will be a strange sight. biggrin.gif
Syrienne2005-06-05 15:09:17
So Icarus is the one ot finally answer my question that these fights were NOT under normal circumstances, but under changed circumstances. See thats what I been asking to know for some time now. My whole point was Faelings as they are RIGHT NOW on the regular server are not that insane, but if you guys are playing under altered circumstances that I'm not aware of thats entirely different.


And for those laughing about ectoplasm its really not that abused, not even remotely as much as it could be. I know I been a Mag forever and been in loads and loads of group fights where ecto would best be abused and it's just not something that gets brought out alot of the time.
Amaru2005-06-05 15:09:56
But under changed circumstances which are going to happen.