Race changes

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Gregori2005-06-06 15:55:23
Hell get two level 2 regen rings in time and you are pretty much assured level 3 regen everywhere. With a sip bonus, natural regen, regen rings, Mercy, Perfection, and whatever else you have going on. Base Faelings can become quite tanky now, ShadowLords are only better with more con yet.
Terenas2005-06-06 15:55:51
QUOTE(Tehn @ Jun 6 2005, 03:52 PM)
That's all good and fine, but our ability to deal damage is quite hindered isn't it?  Dexterity matters, but not alot, atleast from the way Roark puts it... and our speed is alot slower.  Also, how does dexterity mattering less on wounds damage help us bash?
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Hold on, you're complaining about the ability to bash now? I'm a Merian with 10 base strength, and 10 constitution and I'm currently at level 80. A Shadowlord has 10 strength and 11 con, and a level 3 speed bonus, are you saying you can't bash?
Gregori2005-06-06 15:57:28
Level 3 Balance doesn't help me Bash tongue.gif Give Cudgel over to balance and then I will be happy.
Icarus2005-06-06 15:57:40
Yeah, how do you bash?

Ask Terenas. He was a 10 str and 10 con Merian and still managed to always be 10 ranks ahead of me. sad.gif

Now that he has 11 str, I think he is becoming titan in a few days.
Gregori2005-06-06 16:03:47
Me as a Shadowlord with Confood for +1 and whatever the Yellow equivilant is in HighMagic.

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Level 71, sip 2
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13 con: 3353 health (Sip 579-868, 723 avg)
12 int: 3140 mana (Sip 548-822, 685 avg)
13 cha: 3353 ego (Sip 579-868, 723 avg)
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Health Regen: 67, 167, 279 (Mercy: 167)
Mana Regen: 62, 157, 261 (Perfection: 157)
Ego Regen: 67, 167, 279 (Beauty: 167)
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Sparkleberry: 335 health, 314 mana
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That's almost 1k more health than I have right now, and not even including Surge, (if Shadowlords get it). So if you can't tank a bit of damage with that then you need to consider learning how to fight over complaining about your race.
Terenas2005-06-06 16:08:45
QUOTE(Icarus @ Jun 6 2005, 03:57 PM)
Now that he has 11 str, I think he is becoming titan in a few days.
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Ashteru2005-06-06 16:10:58
Could anyone explain to me why Mugwumps get +1 eq and Merians don't? I mean, Merian are a damn magical race, and Mugwumps are...frogs. doh.gif

No, seriously. Unspecialized Merians are the worst race now, even though we got rid of the exp penalty, this change is awesome.

I saw Ixchilgal bashing Krokani...man, he nearly pointed that staff in a row without any delay. ohmy.gif
Amaru2005-06-06 16:15:51
I haven't and won't read a single earlier post in this thread, but my early impressions are.. good job guys.
Gregori2005-06-06 16:18:16
As for wounding and damage. I don't claim to be a knight or know knight fighting styles, but going on a simple and dirty analyis of Balance this is what I see.

Me
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0 = 500
2 = 1000
4 = 1500
6 = 2000
8 = 2500
10 = 3000

Murphy
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0 = 1000
4 = 2000
8 = 3000

Using a rough damage scale, we can see that Murphy beats me damage wise but not by much because I can bring to bear more hits. However Murphy gets 3 chances at wounding and venoms, whereas I get 6 meaning yes I do less damage overall but my chance to afflict is alot better than his and overall my damage wouild not be far off from his. Again assuming all things being equal and this being a case study on exact damage ratios. So ShadowLord Faelings are stil very viable even if they are not as strong. You just have to work harder.. I mean remember... You are a faery.
Maelon2005-06-06 16:19:13
QUOTE(Gregori @ Jun 6 2005, 12:03 PM)
Me as a Shadowlord with Confood for +1 and whatever the Yellow equivilant is in HighMagic.
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Isn't one. Geburah for +1 str.

Amaru- haha, like the changes?

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oh my.
Gregori2005-06-06 16:27:25
Well then there is even less to complain about.. Base Faeling 7 strength, +3 for ShadowLord, +1 for Bear, +1 for Geburah.. Don't Knights have some other thing that raise strength as well? If not that is still 12 strength they are at, which is a big increase to the 7 I have as a regular Faeling. Luckily I don't use strength really.
Terenas2005-06-06 16:34:45
You're thinking of Flex in Athletics, that's +2 strength.
Gregori2005-06-06 16:38:14
Thanks!

So Shadowlord Faeling 14 strength(15 if herofete adds a strength), level 3 balance, 18 Dexterity, +2 sip, +2 regen (+3 in the right settings), +1 faster herbs... Get some rapiers grab a war blessing, throw on a surge when you need it and you are set.

Edit:: come to think of it my shadowlord alt is sitting with 2k lessons I might just throw away those maces he has and get some rapiers and see what he can do, so I can actually pretend I know what I am talking about here.
Murphy2005-06-06 16:42:12
Excatly gregori, although your damage stuff confused the hell out of me. 14 str as a faeling is not half of 17 str as a dracnari.

But shadowlords especially with night (weaponsaura is EASILY worth +2 str if not +3 to str in terms of value in combat in my opinion, 800CR worth of arties right there) and shaow to help them do damage....

I just decided not to go glomdoring and stay with the guard but talking about this makes me feel funny about it again....STOP IT
Gregori2005-06-06 16:43:32
I was just using that as a base example I realise the damages would not be that offscale, but it showed a relation to how I could catch up to you in damage if they were that extreme.
Murphy2005-06-06 16:46:01
I still don't get the numbers....do it again in seconds and damage per swing because it works out damage over time PLUS deepwounds at a lvl 3 balance not to mention only with 3 less str than i get as a dracnari...

hell they are better in every aspect than me as a dracnari, however.....they severley lack tankiness which is fair in my opinion. They still sip and regen good and yeh they are pretty good
Gregori2005-06-06 16:51:27
the 0 2 4 and so on are seconds.. first hit at 0 seconds, then second at 2 seconds and third at 4 seconds and so on.. the large number is a damage scale to work with. So if all things being equal and we just stood there and traded blows on my first hit I would do 500 damage, 2 seconds later another 500 for a total of 1000.. and so on... On your first hit you would do 1000 damage, 4 seconds later another 1000 damage for a total of 2000 and so on...

Now again those damages are not accurate of course, but they provide a generirc number to work with to see how the comparison can be made.
Silvanus2005-06-06 16:56:14
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jun 6 2005, 10:46 AM)
I still don't get the numbers....do it again in seconds and damage per swing because it works out damage over time PLUS deepwounds at a lvl 3 balance not to mention only with 3 less str than i get as a dracnari...

hell they are better in every aspect than me as a dracnari, however.....they severley lack tankiness which is fair in my opinion. They still sip and regen good and yeh they are pretty good
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Richter2005-06-06 17:00:40
QUOTE(Tehn @ Jun 6 2005, 07:26 AM)
Am I the only one who feels shadow lord faelings got totally screwed in this one?  I'm going to relentlessly whine and whine and whine about every single little class and change I don't like in an effort to get a major race redo and screw the other classes.  This is stupid.  Dexterity now has a SLIGHT effect on wounding.  Great, my 18 dexterity can SLIGHTLY effect what I do.  I'm now slower, my fast balance means less.  Did I mention I can't tank for crap with my lower constitution?  How in any way are shadowlord faelings fit to be knights?  As a specialized knight race, we NEED to be able to function as knights.  This is total crap.

I'm saying all this before the changes happen, but the key words tend to make me believe I got shafted.
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I was thinking the same thing, but am kiiinnda holding out on a post until everything is done.
Manjanaia2005-06-06 17:01:32
Lobo upgrades= Amaru is now one overpowered bastard.