@Joli: because I happened to say 'new post' on ct Some people apparently don't read the 'From' line.

@Shiro: That was bug abuse, if you remember he got maggoted for it. and TDF'd for one rl month I think.

edit: I forgot about his punishment, thank you Aesyra. I was curious if that's what Glomdoring was afraid of, that he would kick out all the leaders.

Hence why the rules for ostracizing/outcitizening were changed.

I forgot the word "NOT" I edited it to make sense

We should test the theory on getting booted while contesting on you.. just to see what the Divine say.

Whoever did it would be disfavoured and a new election would begin?

It's dumb. There wasn't any strong reason for Visaeris being ostracized, if there was it would have happened a good deal of time before the election. Claiming after the fact as Ethelon is just shows that they were genuinely scared of the prospect of Visaeris winning, and found it more convenient to have him ostracized than to take the risk. Don't lie to cover up about it, just makes you look dumb when it's pretty obvious what went down.

When it was talked about, this is exactly what I said would happen. People who didn't know anything about what was happening or the fact it's been gone over so many times already would obviously disagree and think it's all a cover-up. I still don't think Visaeris would have won, he did have some people behind him, but not that many. When you go an make it clear that you are the savior of glomdoring and that the path Viravain was leading was the wrong one, then you will get taken down pretty fast. That was the final straw atleast from my view.

It was not possible for Daganev to outguild him before the election since I was AFG (Away from Game) as I posted on this forums publicly that I would be gone for 2 weeks.

There were many strong reasons as to why Visaeris had to be booted, but I won't go into them here.

I think its wierd that you can be booted before an election, however, if you have enough GR or CR it is harder to boot someone without many people approving. That is one of the reasons I put in the guild rule that you need a certain GR before you can contest. For example, if you yourself have the inguild command, you can't be booted.

Meh, it was kinda messed up.

Yeah it was definitly messed up, but he tested his boundaries and found the cliff.

*sigh* I said it before and I'll say it again. There is no "everyone should have a right to" in Glomdoring.

And claiming that Visaeris was just another Commune member would be ignorant. Glomdoring was his life, he was one of your most active members and one of the more knowledgeable fighters. The fact that he upset some people in the Commune only means that he was actually trying to do -something-, which is more than the majority.

Rhysus, Visaeris's "something" was to Take everything Viravain said, Mock it, go against it, and then claim that he was superior than everyone and the only opinion that ment anything.

Try saying that to Fidel Castro and see what happens.

I remember when this happened in Aetolia not that long ago.

I know, I know, Aetolia doesn't count.

99% of people didn't even bother to be upset.

Hmm. The RP of a challenge to Viravain's matronship and the leadership could have been fun. And I wouldn't have put it past him.

My point being that there are so many people who disagree with Viravain, and a coup could have been fun.

This whole situation is really quite simple as I saw it happening. Visaeris made an agreement with Daganev that he wouldnt run for any office until he reached a certain guildrank. It was a term of him even being allowed to stay in the commune at all.. believe me I stood up for Visaeris many times for people to give him some slack because I know deepdown Visaeris loves Glomdoring. But as I've said many times before Visaeris big problem is he never has learned how to serve, its his opinion he is always right and must always lead. This is a bad method of thinking because it did exactly what many thought of him and made him out to a power hungry kind of fellow. The main problem here is Visaeris came to me and announced he would be contesting me for Champion once he achieved this agreed upon Guildrank, and was going around telling people of his plan long before he could do it. Now this in itself is not a big deal but it proves he was aware that he was not supposed to run for anything until a certain time, yet in typical Visaeris fashion like Daganev said he tested his boundry and found the cliff.

Visaeris was given many many many chances in Glomdoring and yet he consistently took those chances and flushed them away by doing the same things he was warned about over and over again. I know Visaeris loves Glomdoring and I know somewhere in his own method of thinking hes trying to do what he thinks is best, but thats his entire problem it's not about what -he- thinks is best, Nothing Matters But Glomdoring is not a couple of words strung together, its how you have to live your life in this commune, it's not about ME. Visaeris is always about Me.

All that said I really wished Visaeris would turn around and stop doing the things he does and not get booted but what can I say.. I extended my friendship to Visaeris when no one else would and in turn he used what he knew was my OOC vacation to drum up support for his own goals and tell people I'm very inactive. That was pretty hurtful thing to do when I stuck my neck out for him so many times but alas you can't teach an old dog new tricks apparently.

It was fun.. he lost. He did it wrong.

Kicking people for contesting is just really against any sense of fairness. What are they scared of? Him winning? He'd be a good marshal already. Plenty more useless folk to be kicking...

Ceres was kicked multiple times by a useless champion from the Aquamancers because she was contesting. In that case though, the guild wanted her in and they had to eventually remove the champion by force to allow her to contest (not that she stayed long, but that's another matter )

If you try to cross the street at a crosswalk but the little green man isn't up, your not given a ticket for crossing the street, your given a ticket for breaking a law and crossing at the wrong time.

Its the exact same situation here, except we don't give tickets.