The Red Lady and the God of Fire/ Dark God magics are really scaring me.

The book seems to imply that before the modern age, magic was strong, and now it seems to be implying to me that magic is comming back. The whole Dragons/firegod, posions and Dark god of the north thing, as well as the 7 vs the Nature spirits type of worship looks like its comming more to the forefront, and I just hope it stays as back story.

Even if martin starts incorporating more magic, he'll do it in such a kickass way everything will be just fine.

Oh, more Magic I don't care about.. I'm just sick of reading stories that have armegedon themes. I prefer the more LOTR bad guy to the Robert Jordan/Sword of Truth/Bible bad guy.

What are these books? I want to read them.

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Looking at it, The God of Fire IS the Red Lady, or so I seem to interpret it. And, from are very little interactions with gods, it seems they are very, very indirect. The Many Faced God didn't do anything, until the it became necessary, and he had to keep his promise to Arya.

Umm if hte fire god is the red lady how does that explain that one guy who ressurects people and that one lady who made the dragons born again?

I need to re-read my books, then. But it seems they BOTH keep pointing to the Dragon's Tail/Red Comet as some form of prophecy of their god. Remember, we're talking two seperate continents. Tomayto, tomahto.

...Alright, let's look. Dead eggs, dead person. Fire, red comet, dragon eggs alive again. Hatch. Red priest, red light, red comet, person alive again.

Am I alone seeing in the obvious connection here?

Right, see, my understanding is that there are two world wide cults that were banished from Westeros by the cult of the 7. Fire god, and Darkness god. And the Fire god cult has a prophecy yada yada that involves westeros some how.

Anyone else find it odd that the 7 gods cult seems to remind them of Christianity during the middle ages? Or is that just me?

It does, very much. The original gods were the ancient, basically, "wicca" gods, as much as I hate the terminology. The Mor Rigan cult, for instance. Norse mythology, greek, all of them. Very disorganized, lots of different forms of worship. Then the Seven come along, and take over. By force.

The Seven are far more organized, with basically priests (without holy powers). Pretty useless. I do like them burning them, though. >:)

I thought it was cool how they made this polythiestic relgion be a representation of a monothiesitic one.

Pfft, Christianity isn't monothiestic. They just took basically seperate entities and turned them into equally held gods. Warrior = St. Michael the Archangel, Mother = Mary/St. Brigid, things like that.

Although, yea, the way he did it, the fact that he did it, and doing it without losing the christian feeling was great. He seriously is my favourite author. He's just wonderful at it.


Even if he's an overly obese man with a million cats.

Ok, not to debate the "official religion" but the followers of Christianity all believe they are following one god, however the followers of the 7 believe the yare following 7 different gods. Its a hindu feel to it for me.

See, then you have the Fire god, who is much more "Monothiestic" god, however the followers of that are more like modern Witchcraft people. The rituals, the rhetoric etc.

I was impressed by that, but also hope it stays in the background and the story doesn't end up being about the Fire vs Dark gods but rather stays a story of Westeros and how it changed from kingdom to kingdom.

Well, this whole Fire/Red Light God thing does not strike me as purely good and holey. And I view them more like paladins/priests, like you'ld read in a good fantasy novel. Bran and the Children remind me more of the witchcraft.

hmm, the fire priestess who was raped reminded me of the druids who were beat down by the romans.

And the way they have to cast the flame to look into it, and are into sacrifice. They are clearly not good, but they are "Monothiesitic" and seem to believe in the law of equivilancy. I.e, if you want A you have to sacrifice B.

I thought the seven were supposed to be all facets of one god?

is it? I thought that was just the way Dragonstone explained it to the Red Lady.

I think it was they were, like Fain said, all facets of one higher entity. Like, Son/Father/Holy Ghost. But I honestly can't remember anymore.

That brings me back.