Yrael2005-06-14 03:00:20
Oh, and just to bump my postcount again (I WILL get trans, damnit) the teachers kethering would be a nice idea. Ghosts AND Dreamwalkers. But perhaps with double strength and half speed?
Geb2005-06-14 03:15:23
If there will be some denizen created that hits dreamweavers in their dreambodies, then it should also hit liches that are in their ghost form. I do not agree on anything being placed in the game that can hit those forms, but one being placed that can hit dreambodies must be able to hit ghosts too.
Elryn2005-06-14 03:15:54
Illusions don't take power.
Ialie2005-06-14 03:16:04
No one Kethering would be nice. If you can't detect us when we enter, why should they be able to?
Sylphas2005-06-14 03:29:45
Once again, for Alger:
You don't have to kill someone to defeat them. If they run, you win.
You don't have to kill someone to defeat them. If they run, you win.
Marcalo2005-06-14 04:08:42
i wouldn't object to guards being able to attack ghosts as well as weavers
Elryn2005-06-14 04:33:54
If denizens can strike dreamweavers, then I assume dreamweavers will be able to strike denizens?
That could be interesting.
That could be interesting.
Alger2005-06-14 04:39:10
so sylphas tell me again why you people complain about lich or ghost when those two have more drawbacks than a weaver?
Unknown2005-06-14 04:49:05
They are both more useful than dreamweaving.
Nayl2005-06-14 05:06:09
Yea, you know, because you can afflict while your a ghost.
Xenthos2005-06-14 05:08:32
You can also spam someone with attacks trying to make them fall asleep, do illusions (either for RP, or for just being a pain, or a mix of both), you can kill... you can link to someone and follow them... you are invisible when someone "look"s. Hm, all these advantages that ghost has! 
Elryn2005-06-14 05:15:26
Uh oh, is someone comparing a skill to a skillset again?
Unknown2005-06-14 05:18:27
Dreamweavers are at most an annoyance to me, and I'm bloody crap at nearly everything in the game. I find ghost and lich cause me far more trouble for my comrades (black russian, anyone?) than any dreamweaver ever has.
Xenthos2005-06-14 05:28:47
The comparison was made with "They are both more useful than dreamweaving," Elryn. I agree that they really shouldn't be compared, but meh.
Quidgyboo, get Elryn (mostly) and Munsia to start using dreamweaving on Serenwilde like they have on us, I think you'd find that it can be quite the nuisance.
Quidgyboo, get Elryn (mostly) and Munsia to start using dreamweaving on Serenwilde like they have on us, I think you'd find that it can be quite the nuisance.
Unknown2005-06-14 05:32:39
Yeah I know it's annoing. I've let Elryn and Ialie test some things on me and I have a general idea of the capablities of a dreamweaver. Heck, I have my own alt I am planning transing dreamweaving with at some point. But ghost and lich are both more useful.
Alger2005-06-14 05:50:02
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Sylphas was saying that you do not have to kill an enemy to defeat them, as long as they leave the job is done. But isnt one of your main points as to why lich is too strong is because you dont get to kill them, they just leave. So if you truely believe in the former then surely you cannot believe the later. Not even taking into consideration that there are actual ways to stop liches from escaping.
i really didnt think it was that hard to understand.
Sylphas was saying that you do not have to kill an enemy to defeat them, as long as they leave the job is done. But isnt one of your main points as to why lich is too strong is because you dont get to kill them, they just leave. So if you truely believe in the former then surely you cannot believe the later. Not even taking into consideration that there are actual ways to stop liches from escaping.
i really didnt think it was that hard to understand.
Shiri2005-06-14 05:55:42
QUOTE(Alger @ Jun 14 2005, 06:50 AM)
...
Sylphas was saying that you do not have to kill an enemy to defeat them, as long as they leave the job is done. But isnt one of your main points as to why lich is too strong is because you dont get to kill them, they just leave. So if you truely believe in the former then surely you cannot believe the later. Not even taking into consideration that there are actual ways to stop liches from escaping.
i really didnt think it was that hard to understand.
Sylphas was saying that you do not have to kill an enemy to defeat them, as long as they leave the job is done. But isnt one of your main points as to why lich is too strong is because you dont get to kill them, they just leave. So if you truely believe in the former then surely you cannot believe the later. Not even taking into consideration that there are actual ways to stop liches from escaping.
i really didnt think it was that hard to understand.
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Maybe if an ur'guard who had lich seed up did 1/4 damage that could never reduce you below 0 unless you were unconscious, but got Viscanti breath. Or...something. Yeah, then lich wouldn't be a problem. ...but they don't, so it is.
Sylphas2005-06-14 06:33:09
I've never truly minded if someone liched and left. What I mind is if they lich, run away, reform, defup, and come back for more because they have nothing to lose.
And ghost I have absolutely no problem with defensively, but it's incredibly potent offensively.
And ghost I have absolutely no problem with defensively, but it's incredibly potent offensively.
Alger2005-06-14 07:01:10
so you have a problem with them reforming deffing up and coming back... so wouldnt you have a problem with the weaver leaving resting up and coming back too since well like you said they have nothing to lose.
nej but they cant also hit you at the nexus of your city/commune with 30 guards around you(which most likely would have eye sigils as well). Anyway, you missed the point again. Its the believing that the job is done when the person leaves. You guys use arguments all the time that shows you dont really believe its done until you've gotten that kill. Which makes this argument contradictory to what you've said you believed in, in the past.
I would have agreed with him if i thought you guys honestly believed in that ideal... but it definitely doesnt look like it.
nej but they cant also hit you at the nexus of your city/commune with 30 guards around you(which most likely would have eye sigils as well). Anyway, you missed the point again. Its the believing that the job is done when the person leaves. You guys use arguments all the time that shows you dont really believe its done until you've gotten that kill. Which makes this argument contradictory to what you've said you believed in, in the past.
I would have agreed with him if i thought you guys honestly believed in that ideal... but it definitely doesnt look like it.
Shiri2005-06-14 07:04:19
QUOTE(Alger @ Jun 14 2005, 08:01 AM)
so you have a problem with them reforming deffing up and coming back... so wouldnt you have a problem with the weaver leaving resting up and coming back too since well like you said they have nothing to lose.
nej but they cant also hit you at the nexus of your city/commune with 30 guards around you(which most likely would have eye sigils as well). Anyway, you missed the point again. Its the believing that the job is done when the person leaves. You guys use arguments all the time that shows you dont really believe its done until you've gotten that kill. Which makes this argument contradictory to what you've said you believed in, in the past.
I would have agreed with him if i thought you guys honestly believed in that ideal... but it definitely doesnt look like it.
nej but they cant also hit you at the nexus of your city/commune with 30 guards around you(which most likely would have eye sigils as well). Anyway, you missed the point again. Its the believing that the job is done when the person leaves. You guys use arguments all the time that shows you dont really believe its done until you've gotten that kill. Which makes this argument contradictory to what you've said you believed in, in the past.
I would have agreed with him if i thought you guys honestly believed in that ideal... but it definitely doesnt look like it.
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So, not to hijack, but which stance are you taking? Dreamweavers are fine, or liches are fine?
(And it takes a LONG time for a dreamweaver to recover. Not for a lich. They can actually come in mid-battle, because they don't have a sucky offence. The point is that dreamweavers don't do any real harm, so it's not like an attack.)
