M.J.! Verdict!

by Erion

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Unknown2005-06-14 02:52:59
Black condoms? Strange...
Silvanus2005-06-14 07:29:10
QUOTE(Folkien @ Jun 13 2005, 08:15 PM)
blink.gif  Yes, I can recite Boondock Saints by heart. Don't mess with me
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I can too. And in saddness after hearing the Verdict, I watched Boondock Saints.

Basically just for this part (Its copy/pasted, because I can't remember all this part except a few excerpts):

"Now you will receive us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do not want your tired and sick. It is your corrupt we claim. It is your evil that will be saught by us. With every breath we shall hunt them down. Each day we will spill their blood ‘til it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, to not steal. These are principles, which every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions, these are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. But if you do you, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will reap it. And we will send you to whatever god you wish.

And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forthfrom thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti." (on Boondocksaints.com) (Thats where I shoot Michael Jackson in the back of the head) (yes, I had to quote Boondock Saints)
Unknown2005-06-14 07:32:50
Just as a note...
"Not guilty" != "Innocent".

Did Jackson do it? I believe so. Was there enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? No.

He's not innocent, but he's not guilty.

Edit:

QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 13 2005, 03:07 PM)
My pet peeve is that we're so afraid of punishing the innocent that a death sentence is more like 30 years in prison, after which time we might get around to killing you.  I'm all for hanging people behind the courthouse the day they're convicted of murder or rape or something.
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Yes.
Erion2005-06-14 10:45:22
I'm with Visaeris. Like Peterson, I've no doubt he did it. But you ain't proved every other venue impossible, sooo.

That said, I'm going to break Peterson out of jail with an army of penguins, armed with swords, bandanas, and eye-patches. Be afraid. We shall then flee to the Bahamas (And kidnap Eric upon the way! Muahaha!) and barricade ourselves up on an island.
Joli2005-06-14 19:12:14
Finally some people agree that we need public hangings. sleep.gif I'm all for people getting scared and disgusted and not wanting to go to do whatever the bastard did, so that doesn't happen to them. but nooo everyone's always like "Amanda you're so mean! How could you do that to someone??" Easy.. kick the box out from under their feet. It's rather quick and slightly.. painless.. rolleyes.gif I've gotten chewed out by so many preppy little girls for voicing said opinion it makes me wanna use them as test dummies. blink.gif


Erion.. if you became president would you spam the news media?? oh, and could I have that harem I've always wanted, cos if I can.. I'll help you in anyway possible to get elected.. wub.gif
Silvanus2005-06-14 20:15:44
If I was ever President, my first act would be too remove the "Freedom of the Press" in the Bill of Rights.
Narsrim2005-06-14 21:02:48
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 14 2005, 04:15 PM)
If I was ever President, my first act would be too remove the "Freedom of the Press" in the Bill of Rights.
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And then you'd get assassinated by your own party for the political backlash. Sounds kinky.
Morik2005-06-14 21:11:45
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 15 2005, 04:15 AM)
If I was ever President, my first act would be too remove the "Freedom of the Press" in the Bill of Rights.
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I dunno whether you're trolling or you really, really don't understand why the heck there's such a thing in the first place. So i'll bite, cause its late.

Is it being abused? perhaps so. Is there a really good reason why Freedom of the press came into existance in your country? hell yes. Go read up on your own history, go see where said press freedom has been very useful. I can think of at least one involving a penis-like alias which happened in the last 40 years. I'm sure you'll find more. Is it being abused? yes. Should you scrap it because its being abused? Perhaps, but what are you going to replace it with? Why not address the problems?

Do you know why there's an innocent until proven guilty framework in most western countries (save france, perhaps?) Have you ever come across a corrupt government official who would be quite happy to put people in jail they didn't like? I'm sure some more abuse of google would find you a lot of information about this.

If i were ever an American, my first act would be to enforce the whole seperation between religion and state already. do you actually know /why/ that was done? Your founding fathers, the slave owners that some of them were, actually had a clue about a lot of things. Perhaps a little light reading at your local library will enlighten you.

Adrian, an Amused Australian.
Morik2005-06-14 21:15:35
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Jun 14 2005, 03:32 PM)
Just as a note...
"Not guilty" != "Innocent".

Did Jackson do it? I believe so. Was there enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? No.

He's not innocent, but he's not guilty.

Edit:
Yes.
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And what would the repercussions be for the people who sent him away if he is found, later on, to be innocent? This kind of thing does happen. The reason why you're not shot the day you're convicted, which I admit would be a hell of a lot more efficient than your current death row setup, is because death is permanent. And you really, really don't want to walk down /that/ path. People in power /will/ abuse it, and you /will/ end up with random people convicted and shot. Heck, your government can make people disappear quite legally now, and they're not even allowed to talk about it if they return. I'm sure that won't happen to anyone here, but if it does, would we ever know about it?

(ah, quantum government. if you can't see it, does it happen? and if you see it, does it matter?)
Manjanaia2005-06-14 21:22:12
Um, Morik. You just tried to teach Silvanus history. I'd bail. Now. Before the lecture starts tongue.gif
Terenas2005-06-14 21:36:06
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 14 2005, 08:15 PM)
If I was ever President, my first act would be too remove the "Freedom of the Press" in the Bill of Rights.
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roflmao.gif

That's cute, considering it takes 2/3 of the House and Senate to repeal an amendment, I'd like to see you muster anywhere near enough supports for that to go through. I bet it would be killed in the committees before it even goes onto the floor.
Silvanus2005-06-14 23:27:18
QUOTE(morik @ Jun 14 2005, 03:11 PM)
I dunno whether you're trolling or you really, really don't understand why the heck there's such a thing in the first place. So i'll bite, cause its late.

Is it being abused? perhaps so. Is there a really good reason why Freedom of the press came into existance in your country? hell yes. Go read up on your own history, go see where said press freedom has been very useful. I can think of at least one involving a penis-like alias which happened in the last 40 years. I'm sure you'll find more. Is it being abused? yes. Should you scrap it because its being abused? Perhaps, but what are you going to replace it with? Why not address the problems?

Do you know why there's an innocent until proven guilty framework in most western countries (save france, perhaps?) Have you ever come across a corrupt government official who would be quite happy to put people in jail they didn't like? I'm sure some more abuse of google would find you a lot of information about this.

If i were ever an American, my first act would be to enforce the whole seperation between religion and state already. do you actually know /why/ that was done? Your founding fathers, the slave owners that some of them were, actually had a clue about a lot of things. Perhaps a little light reading at your local library will enlighten you.

Adrian, an Amused Australian.
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Oh ye of little faith and understanding. A few things to note:

On the address of Press - the reason why I removed that, is not because of all the journals and stuff, I enjoy my freedom of speech, but because of the daily news you see at 9/10 pm and all that. I live in the Chicago area, I know in most urban areas (that is 85% of the population in USA) gets the same things as this, minor/major violence, fires, death, destruction. Most parents watch the news with their children, is that a good thing for a child to see? That some serial killer killed and raped little boys then put them in the wall? Hell no. There is just a lot of violence and anger going around in America, and part of that is because of the news at 9.

Innocent until proven guilty is true. I'm glad our country has it, but I'm not glad that guilty can go free, because a jury didn't convict them. Its like those 3 cops in Los Angeles after the beating of Rodney King? Were they guilty, hell yes, were they left go? Hell yes.

State and religion - You've obviously never read the Bill of Rights. It says, nowhere, anywhere in the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence that there is a separation between Church and State. It does say, that there is a freedom of religion, to take an exact quote where it does mention religion: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," (Amendment I). Anyone see where it says "Separation between Church and State"?
Sylphas2005-06-14 23:45:48
It's been interpreted as such, and is mentioned in one of Jefferson's letters. Unless you manage to overturn decades of court precedent (which is what a lot of our "laws" are based on nowadays), we're stuck with it.

(I agree with said seperation, but it really doesn't have true constitutional backing.)
Unknown2005-06-14 23:47:35
Americans scare me. They are all like 'rawwwr better to keel the innocent and guilty than let them both go fwee rawwwr' and I'm all like '...mummy'.
Sylphas2005-06-14 23:49:18
Good people die anyway, in far worse circumstances. It's wonderful to do your best to keep the innocent from being convicted, but when you do convict someone, carry out the damned sentence.
Silvanus2005-06-15 00:36:35
To reply to both Terenas and Narsrim's speculation, that is why I'll never be President.

Edit: Oh, and no amendment in the Bill of Rights can be editted or repealed, Terenas. So its not like it'd ever work.
Xavius2005-06-15 04:09:36
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 14 2005, 07:36 PM)
To reply to both Terenas and Narsrim's speculation, that is why I'll never be President.

Edit: Oh, and no amendment in the Bill of Rights can be editted or repealed, Terenas. So its not like it'd ever work.
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Can't, eh? Did we forget about the slave trade, income taxes, and Prohibition?

Silvanus2005-06-15 04:53:39
Amusing. The Bill of Rights is the first 10 amendments, prohibition was the 18th (I think), slave trade was illegal ever since America was founded (it didn't have the power to stop smuggling yet, that was UK's job, which it failed at... stupid Abeerden Act not working). What they did allow was whoever was a slave is still a slave (that wasn't an amendment either).

So yes, insert a witty "pwned" picture here ().
Bau2005-06-15 04:57:17
America scares me. Apparently, my aunt who was on holidays in Canada, tried to drive into the US to do stuff there (don't ask me what, just parrotting my mother). Anyway, her car apparently broke down on some bridge, and customs asked her to move along asap, and they got it moving, but then it broken down again, and there was interrogation and stuff in a room for hours because she wasn't American and her behaviour was 'suspicious'.

Hmph.

Bastards.
Xavius2005-06-15 15:43:40
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 14 2005, 11:53 PM)
Amusing. The Bill of Rights is the first 10 amendments, prohibition was the 18th (I think), slave trade was illegal ever since America was founded (it didn't have the power to stop smuggling yet, that was UK's job, which it failed at... stupid Abeerden Act not working). What they did allow was whoever was a slave is still a slave (that wasn't an amendment either).

So yes, insert a witty "pwned" picture here ().
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There is no provision anywhere in the Constitution that holds the first ten amendments in any greater regard than the other amendments. They are, for all intents and purposes, the same as anything written in the primary body of the document. We really only group them together as the Bill of Rights because they were added very quickly to address some states' concerns.

So, let's review. The prohibition against income tax is found in the body of the Constitution itself (with, granted, perhaps a little liberal interpretation from the Supreme Court). So, we added the Sixteenth Amendment. Problem solved.

Prohibition is a measure introduced by Constitutional Amendment. There is no written divide between the first ten Amendments and all the following ones. Chronological and sentimental divides don't count for much when it comes time to play politics. It was repealed by the Twenty-First Amendment.

Nothing is above change.

Edited for poor grammar.